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I love how Europeans bash us for being militaristic when WE pay YOUR military costs so you can waste the money on your 35 hour a week workweek and crazy welfare states.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Say we were to pull out of all foreign places. Hooray for genocide, I mean "ethnic cleansing," (mass murder sounds so much better when it sounds like spring cleaning) in Kosovo! =D> Hooray for no relief when some enormous tsunami hits Indonesia again! (your EU "aid" took a LONG time coming) Whatever, we don't want to be a hyperpower anymore. Plus, you have to get rid of your national healthcare because we aren't paying for your military anymore. (or raise taxes, as if they weren't high enough already)

 

 

 

Face it, America is the first non-imperial dominant power. Call us imperialists, but I certainly don't see Craterstan and Iraq as the 51st and 52nd states, and neither does Congress. Soon as Iraq gets back on its feet, we're out of there like shotgun pellets from Richard Cheney's gun. If we were imperialists, the Great White North would soon be tasting the lead of the Great Satan. But we don't invade, because we aren't imperialists. Same thing with Mexico. Same thing with France. (they'd surrender in nothing flat) Same thing with Saudi Arabia, Oman, and the U.A.E. If we wanted oil, we'd invade Kuwait, not Iraq.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

America is looking out for its interests. We're interested in making sure that the people who want to attack America get a taste of the daisy cutter. 8-)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Now, to your social aspect of hating America. Europeans hate us because we're fat, lazy, ignorant, racist, don't have national healthcare and welfare, and are all Christian Fundamentalists.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First of all, yes, we are fat. Your point?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Americans work a 50 hour workweek, and many work overtime. Europeans have a 35 hour workweek and have 6 weeks of paid vacation. 'Nuff said.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Racism? How about the British National Party? How about its French equivalent? How about the crowds of angry Muslims rampaging through the streets during the Danish Cartoon Riots denouncing freedom as "Western terrorism" and pledging that the "enemies of Islam would drown in their own blood?" Resurgent Anti-Semitism in Germany? The list goes on and on. Meanwhile, we take dramatic steps to phase out bigotry in the South. We might not be able to persuade Billy Bob into knowing that blacks are also people, but we WILL make sure that Billy Bob Jr. does.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

National welfare? Yeah, we hate that. I, as do many of my fellow Americans, don't like the fact that other people get money for my work. You work, you get paid. You don't work, you live in a cardboard box at the homeless shelter. If you get injured, that's one thing. But just sitting at home and waiting for the check to come in? Hell no, I'm not paying.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Without Medicaid and Medicare, America would be a lot better off. Hospitals run a version of their own private welfare, by the fact that they raise prices for those who have health insurance to cover those who don't. Medicare and Medicaid HURT hospitals because the government pays hospitals terrible prices for people who CAN pay, and as a result, the people who can't pay get stuck on the streets. Hooray for socialism! =D>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When Europeans get snooty at us for having "bad" (meaning non-Socialist) healthcare, they forget that access to a "waiting list" is not access to healthcare. If I screw up my knee doing gymnastics, I don't want to wait a year and a half for my surgery. And if we were to put in national healthcare, protecting the 40 million Americans without health insurance, those 40 million Americans would join the 260 million Americans who DO. Those 260 million Americans should have the say in the way their money is spent, especially when they watch their healthcare turn from decent to mediocre. But then again, it's "selfish" to try to keep money for yourself. But isn't it even more selfish to live off the money of others?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, we're all Christian Fundamentalists. Maybe the fact that we aren't secularist contributes to the fact that we have a sustainable birthrate, and Europe doesn't. However, we're not all Bible-thumping Evangelists. Just look at each state's Cambridge or Berkeley or wherever "those" (the Latin word "isti" fits perfectly) people hang out. Look at the states that vote blue in each election, (I'm in the most liberal one, and can say that not many people go to church) and you'll see that they aren't that religious. Besides, I'd say that Christian Fundamentalism is a LOT better than Fundamentalist Islam, something that will turn Europe into Eurabia in 50 years, thanks to Europe's Post-Christian birth-rates. Yay!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Wikipedia is good for general knowledge, but not citing as fact. The references, however, are generally good. My statistics are gotten from the CIA Fact Book, available in most libraries, and various newspapers (London Times et al)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i didnt get most of what you said cause i was too bored to read it all but dont say that one religion is better than the other...just because a few nutcases in one part of the world like to use Islam to give reason to their pathetic actions dont say that Islam is bad because you dont know what it is really about...and neither do the nutcases

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Europeans have a 35 hour workweek and have 6 weeks of paid vacation. 'Nuff said.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is total horse faeces. Steaming and fly-ridden, with some undigested grass in it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm interested to know where you got that fibrous, tapered nugget of brown.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You evidently don't know much about Europe. 'Nuff said.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

there are plenty of hethens in the world who will hate america simply because it is one nation under god.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again: The point is that we help the weak and get hated for it. Don't skip the point, and then critizize things that reinforce the point. See, I was even nice and changed the type of letters in the point. So, for anyone else who has a problem with my facts in my post... please, don't say so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe it's these kind of remarks...and you know these people live in the States?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't forget this one:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let's see how much you would dislike us of we didn't trade with you, if we didn't help you when you are in need.
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there are plenty of hethens in the world who will hate america simply because it is one nation under god.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again: The point is that we help the weak and get hated for it. Don't skip the point, and then critizize things that reinforce the point. See, I was even nice and changed the type of letters in the point. So, for anyone else who has a problem with my facts in my post... please, don't say so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe it's these kind of remarks...and you know these people live in the States?

 

 

 

I'm not sure I get what you are saying, so correct me if I'm wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But maybe you are leaning way to much on stereotypes? Maybe that is why people hate America. They listen to all of the stereotypes. And trust me, if you are getting flamed for something, you're gonna flame back, whether you be Canadian, Mexican, German.... it's human nature.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But it's also human nature to be prejudiced, and many Americans and other cultures/countries/people in general are. A cookie to anyone who can tell me that they never were prejudiced in their life. Americans, for example, when they see a Mexican, 9/10 times they will consider they are illegal immegrants. But when Muslims see an American, they are probably going to immediatley judge them for negative.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I guess what I'm saying is that people get into the media way to much *points at sig* and base their beliefs on other people's expirience. Or any other source. Kids are raised to hate so and so culture because of so and so conflict so many years ago. It's worldwide, not just America.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, correct me if I took your post wrong.

 

 

 

*phew*, needed to get that out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And omegaham, I agree with parabola. That is a bit biased. Same for you in that below-the-belt quote, parabola.

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That's what the guy said, that's one of the attitudes many non-americans don't like.

 

 

 

Agreed. But you and whats-his-name are making it out like that is how all Americans are. Only angry/fed up Americans.

 

 

 

*points to previous post*

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Okay so you dont like wikipedia.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Has the USA even sorted out the mess that is New Orleans out yet 18 months after the hurricane hit? No? Just thought you ought to of done being the richest country in the world and all...

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...dont say that one religion is better than the other...just because a few nutcases in one part of the world like to use Islam to give reason to their pathetic actions dont say that Islam is bad because you dont know what it is really about...and neither do the nutcases

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He didn't say Islam if you didn't notice, he said Islamic Fundamentalists and there is a radical difference between the two. Islamic Fundamentalists are those who take the Koran literally when it says to "kill the infidel." I may not agree with one saying that any religion is better than any other in most cases, but in this case I'll make an exception. Jesus said when someone strikes you turn the other cheek, not kill them like the prophet Muhammed said.

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Has the USA even sorted out the mess that is New Orleans out yet 18 months after the hurricane hit? No? Just thought you ought to of done being the richest country in the world and all...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gee, man, you sure know your facts.

 

 

 

We have almost fully "sorted it out". But, smart boy, New Orleans wasn't the only place that got hit. Get your facts straight.

 

 

 

We have been over in the countries that were hit by the tsunami, helping them clean up. Wonder why we haven't had much time here? :-k

 

 

 

Please, get your own opinions straight. Again, get your facts straight.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And 1 Man Army, I am going to continue to ignore you, because you obviously think the US is the only country with scandals like that. Please. Shut up. I know all you America haters just want to hate us, but please.... don't use reasons that have happened few times compared to some countries. Every country does it. We are all human.

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We have started precious few wars with other countries. And yes, it's for defense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mexican American war, anyone? THAT wasn't defense, that was "We want your land, Mexico - we'll offer to buy it from you, but if you won't sell it, we'll just take it from you."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The United States was, in a way, "protecting" Texas. See, Texas won their independence, Santa Anna even signing a treaty, but Mexico wouldn't accept that Texas was free. So, Texas ran to US for help, and asked US for annexion . The US obviously didn't want to get involved, but after years of convincing, the US annexed Texas. Now, Mexico still thought Texas was theirs, so US and Mexico went over the Mexican-American war.

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We have started precious few wars with other countries. And yes, it's for defense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mexican American war, anyone? THAT wasn't defense, that was "We want your land, Mexico - we'll offer to buy it from you, but if you won't sell it, we'll just take it from you."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The United States was, in a way, "protecting" Texas. See, Texas won their independence, Santa Anna even signing a treaty, but Mexico wouldn't accept that Texas was free. So, Texas ran to US for help, and asked US for annexion . The US obviously didn't want to get involved, but after years of convincing, the US annexed Texas. Now, Mexico still thought Texas was theirs, so US and Mexico went over the Mexican-American war.

 

 

 

Yeah, I have to back you up on this one. The US never went crazy and decided to attempt a take over of Mexico. We we're defending Texas since it was rightfully ours. We pushed things a little bit farther than necessary to prove our point.

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1. We attacked Afghanistan because it was harboring Osama bin Laden. You know, the man who planned and orchestrated the 9/11 attacks killing 3000 innocent Americans? We were going after the leader of a dangerous terrorist organization who had attacked us.
And where did that get us? No where you don't hear a thing about Bin laden anymore.. Its like he doesn't exsist anymore.. He's prob hangin at the Bush ranch in Texas....

 

 

 

We only went into Iraq to finish what Bush sr couldn't.. I personally dislike our Government.. Yes i am American and if i had the chance i'd headbutt our "great" president..

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People who hate America are simple-minded.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People who think everyone who hates America is simple-minded are simple-minded.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some people... *gasp* have reasons. And some people, like me, don't really totally abhor the place. All the attention America gets on it's bad points is simply because it is, in many ways, the biggest country on the planet, therefore it gets most of the attention and inevitably most of the criticism.

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...dont say that one religion is better than the other...just because a few nutcases in one part of the world like to use Islam to give reason to their pathetic actions dont say that Islam is bad because you dont know what it is really about...and neither do the nutcases

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He didn't say Islam if you didn't notice, he said Islamic Fundamentalists and there is a radical difference between the two. Islamic Fundamentalists are those who take the Koran literally when it says to "kill the infidel." I may not agree with one saying that any religion is better than any other in most cases, but in this case I'll make an exception. Jesus said when someone strikes you turn the other cheek, not kill them like the prophet Muhammed said.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yeah your right, i take it back

 

 

 

but about prophet Muhammed saying that we should kill someone who strikes us then i can assure you that you are wrong, and i can give you a huge and long explanation on your pm if you want

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And why should I join this club? How many members does this club have. And most important, how much contribution do I need to pay to be a member of this club?

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Clubs are there to join, aren't they?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought clubs were to beat people unconcious with. :-s

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Clubs are there to join, aren't they?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought clubs were to beat people unconcious with. :-s

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea, that's another meaning of the word, Nad. Good thinking.

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Clubs are there to join, aren't they?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought clubs were to beat people unconcious with. :-s

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea, that's another meaning of the word, Nad. Good thinking.

That raises a good issue... Which meaning of club is this thread using? Club as in "a group of people" or club as in "a blunt object to hit such a group of people"?
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Clubs are there to join, aren't they?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought clubs were to beat people unconcious with. :-s

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea, that's another meaning of the word, Nad. Good thinking.

That raises a good issue... Which meaning of club is this thread using? Club as in "a group of people" or club as in "a blunt object to hit such a group of people"?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let's think logically now.

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Clubs are there to join, aren't they?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought clubs were to beat people unconcious with. :-s

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea, that's another meaning of the word, Nad. Good thinking.

That raises a good issue... Which meaning of club is this thread using? Club as in "a group of people" or club as in "a blunt object to hit such a group of people"?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let's think logically now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well it could be a club to beat Americans with.

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