17-Apr-2007 Wilderness Ditch

[MazteR]

woho =)

[WolfhunterXZ]

This is a fairly good update. I don't see it effecting much in the time for Abby rcing, there's a safe spot on the Wilderness side of the ditch, so you won't get pked trying to escape. And the point of the ditch in my opinion is to stop those lures where the lurer causes the victim to spring foward rapidly and into the wilderness, and then get pked. As for the other lures, those too of course are illegal (the said ones) and aren't as preventable by the ditch.

 

 

 

Stop whining about the update, you're acting like immature children.

[masterdez]

So the skill that needs most updating gets degraded because of a bunch of pixel hungry 5 year olds who cant tell a lure apart from a real trade.

 

 

 

3 cheers for jagex :thumbup:

[0ne_time]

The one second delay means nothing when you enter the abyss.

 

 

 

Once you enter the abyss, you are randomly transported near any entrance to the center. Then depending on what entrance to the center you want to go to, you must find it. Then you must attempt to enter it. Depending on your luck. It could take 30+ seconds. Once you enter the middle, you must find the nature gate etc.

 

 

 

 

Sorry, but it still takes 1 more second. Lets say z represents any random location you are teleported to. Lets say t is the time it takes to go to your designated place. So, z=t . With this update z=t+1 . Get what I'm saying? If you were teleported in that SAME random place, it would take you 1 more second in your total crafting time with the ditch than without the ditch.

 

 

 

I'm not a huge RC'er, so I'm kinda split. I don't like the ditch though. It looks so ugly and un-wildyish if you catch my meaning. If they made it look better, I would approve a little more.

[iwatake]

I wish they just made the existing wildy warning into the one you get when you try to cross the ditch, it forces you to click the proceed button before you can go in, can't be overridden by clicking somewhere on the minimap to walk there...

 

 

 

Overall, I despise this update

[mario_sunny]

Horrible update for runecrafters. Now it requires to pay more attention to run to the zammy mage and running out of the rc pkers is harder. I seen an increased amount of rc pkers swarming around the zammy mage for the next few weeks....

 

 

 

More attention? You say clicking one more time during a runecrafting round is more attention? Wow... it's so hard to click one more time while runecrafting, I might as well stop because it's sooo slow now! -.-

 

 

 

This wouldn't affect anything at all, there will be no increased amount of rc pkers or a decreased amount of rcers. Jumping the ditch takes just as long as walking two squares, it's not the end of the world. Level 1 has basically been cut in half by the ditch, not even counting the two extra spaces they've given us as safespots. Personally I'm really liking this update, I think it will really reduce the amount of sucessful lures. Why not look at the positive things about an update instead of over-exaggerating the negative ones?

 

 

 

Good job jagex :thumbsup:

[Dalcyte]

Apparently the ditch works like a agility shortcut. The animation of you jumping over does not delay your movement. Hence right after you jump through, even if there is still the animation, just continue your path and notice your guy run a little faster for a while right after the animation

 

 

 

But it requires you to click on the ditch instead of clicking on the mini-map which is much faster and more convenient.

 

 

 

God this SUCKS. Why not build in an OPTIONAL thing like this, so the people who actually have brains won't be distracted by crap like this.

 

 

 

the one and only thing stopping them from doing this is they can't do it, it's just impossible lol.

 

 

 

Eh, maybe they'll recall it..i dunno, probably not. 1 second..ooo...maybe i'll have to look at the computer and click TWICE when going to the abyss...dangit. Life's over. i'm never gonna rc again, even though its the one of the best money maker in the game.

[Deiophobus]

I can't get on rs now, but when I do, I'm planning to craft nats.

 

 

 

Currently I can do about 1900 natures per hour (did 2000 once). I'll test it again, and see if this has a big effect.

[silver24-7]

The one second delay means nothing when you enter the abyss.

 

 

 

Once you enter the abyss, you are randomly transported near any entrance to the center. Then depending on what entrance to the center you want to go to, you must find it. Then you must attempt to enter it. Depending on your luck. It could take 30+ seconds. Once you enter the middle, you must find the nature gate etc.

 

 

 

Therefore making that one second non visible and non affective.

 

 

 

As with the luring, do you folks know what Enron is? Ken Lay, etc.? Everyone knows the stock market is a dangerous place, but they still invest their money there. When Ken Lay and his company presidents and etc. Scammed all their investors out of their money, they were punished. So what you people are saying is that they shouldn't have been punished because people know the risks? We should allow people to steal like that?

 

 

 

Sly, there is your real life example of something that is like luring in real life, and the people who caused it, punished.

 

 

 

End.

 

 

 

 

 

We have a winner, thats unarguable. Anyone posting after this beter be agreeing with this guy (because i know how touchy people can be i'm saying this tongue-in-cheek you can of course post whatever you want).

 

 

 

king peter, you don't know what you're saying. and way to go berbatov agreeing on things that don't make sense ^^

 

 

 

Look peter, first of all the second extra is ALWAYS a second extra, even if you get placed random in the abyss, you will still have that second extra, it's not like now that we have the ditch our random chances to be placed closer to the nat entrance are bigger, no we can end on the opposite site just as before, so it takes 1 second more to make nats now.

 

 

 

And for the example you put, omg that isn't comparable at all!

 

People INVESTED in this company, they got scammed by those people who illegally took the investors money, so yeah they got punished by law.

 

Now in this (runescape) case, instead, people don't scam others, nor do people INVEST IN THINGS, they just STUPIDLY IGNORE WARNING SIGNS AND WALK INTO A PLACE WEARING A PHAT OR EVEN 2 AND GET KILLED FOR THEM...

 

Do you think that the people that invested in that company got a message saying: by buying this part of the company you agree and are aware of the fact that it's owners could suddenly take all your money and run off with it without being punished? I'm 100, no 200% sure they DID NOT get that warning, and if they would've they wouldn't have bought it. So people who get lured into wildy are idiots and it's upto jagex to outlaw luring or not but this comparison to the real world punishment some people who did anything but "wildy luring" got is of no relevance at all in this situation.

 

 

 

now let's start digging in varrock center to cover up that ditch, I want my 1 second rcing time back !!!

[Smapla]

It's like two inches deep, why do I have to jump over it?

[beniscool218]

Ha ha... It's a ditch... All you Runecrafters chill out; it requires one extra click, and if you're so lazy that you can't even spend the time to do that, then you need to take a break and go outside. I think it's an excellent idea, even though it won't effect higher level players. It will keep players safe, thus allowing them to enjoy the game more.

 

 

 

Now if they could only do something about Dagannoth King luring...

[Dalcyte]

It's like two inches deep, why do I have to jump over it?

 

 

 

how can you eat a shark in a matter of seconds? :P

 

 

 

i agree with ben...regardless of a players' intelligence...they're still players and paying customers. A company is not gonna neglect a group of people, stupid people yes, but still customers. These people who get scammed are players, and how would you feel if you just made one bad move, maybe you were tired or just weren't thinking one time and wham. It's over.

 

 

 

Now all the people complaining about rc..it's just 1 extra click, calm down...1 second is not going to kill you or ruin this for you.

[Macmaster92]

The one second delay means nothing when you enter the abyss.

 

 

 

Once you enter the abyss, you are randomly transported near any entrance to the center. Then depending on what entrance to the center you want to go to, you must find it. Then you must attempt to enter it. Depending on your luck. It could take 30+ seconds. Once you enter the middle, you must find the nature gate etc.

 

 

 

Therefore making that one second non visible and non affective.

 

 

 

As with the luring, do you folks know what Enron is? Ken Lay, etc.? Everyone knows the stock market is a dangerous place, but they still invest their money there. When Ken Lay and his company presidents and etc. Scammed all their investors out of their money, they were punished. So what you people are saying is that they shouldn't have been punished because people know the risks? We should allow people to steal like that?

 

 

 

Sly, there is your real life example of something that is like luring in real life, and the people who caused it, punished.

 

 

 

End.

 

 

 

 

 

We have a winner, thats unarguable. Anyone posting after this beter be agreeing with this guy (because i know how touchy people can be i'm saying this tongue-in-cheek you can of course post whatever you want).

 

 

 

king peter, you don't know what you're saying. and way to go berbatov agreeing on things that don't make sense ^^

 

 

 

Look peter, first of all the second extra is ALWAYS a second extra, even if you get placed random in the abyss, you will still have that second extra, it's not like now that we have the ditch our random chances to be placed closer to the nat entrance are bigger, no we can end on the opposite site just as before, so it takes 1 second more to make nats now.

 

 

 

And for the example you put, omg that isn't comparable at all!

 

People INVESTED in this company, they got scammed by those people who illegally took the investors money, so yeah they got punished by law.

 

Now in this (runescape) case, instead, people don't scam others, nor do people INVEST IN THINGS, they just STUPIDLY IGNORE WARNING SIGNS AND WALK INTO A PLACE WEARING A PHAT OR EVEN 2 AND GET KILLED FOR THEM...

 

Do you think that the people that invested in that company got a message saying: by buying this part of the company you agree and are aware of the fact that it's owners could suddenly take all your money and run off with it without being punished? I'm 100, no 200% sure they DID NOT get that warning, and if they would've they wouldn't have bought it. So people who get lured into wildy are idiots and it's upto jagex to outlaw luring or not but this comparison to the real world punishment some people who did anything but "wildy luring" got is of no relevance at all in this situation.

 

 

 

now let's start digging in varrock center to cover up that ditch, I want my 1 second rcing time back !!!

 

 

 

If what you are saying is true and one second really does matter to you all i have to say is that does not make sense.

 

If you have to run from the bank jump over a ditch and run to the abys over and over again there is no way on earth you could craft your runes in the exact amount of time you did last.

 

Then after you get to the abys you are placed randomly close or not close to the entrence of the portal you wan't to go to.

 

 

 

My point is that it is physicaly impossible to click on the same exact squares at the same exact time to get to the abys. There for you have a huge variable when Rcing in the abys. You can't clock each run and then make an average because its random.

 

 

 

If you wan't to start counting seconds then lets say i was a rcing veteran of the abys. I have rced at least a billion times and I'm a pro. I clock one trip to the entrance of the abys and it takes me 13.5, 13.2, 13.4 seconds for three trips. Now if you add .5, .2 .4 that equals .11 seconds. Oh no! After 545 trips i lose one inventory!! What a waste! lol

 

 

 

So if any of you can click on the exact squares at the exact moment from edge bank to the entrance to the abys every single time down to the milisecond you have proved me wrong.

[berbatovsky]

The point is not that it doesnt take longer, the point is that due to the random nature of using the abyss, making the trip to the teleport spot 1 second longer is irrelevant because there is no standardisation. You can't argue you are losing a second because you in actual fact cant tell if you have or havent. That is game set and pwnage. All you whiners lose.

 

 

 

Edit:took something out which would get me flamed :)

[mojo477]

Like I said, 2 seconds is not forever.

 

 

 

And Happysniff is not my account. Happysniff99 is. And I have 80 agility on that. I merely stole the name Happysniff from my brothers friend, devious as I am.

 

 

 

Still 30 rc + 62 mining and you're trying to tell me something about rc and mining. My mining is 10 levels higher than your highest skill and my rc is the same as your highest skill. The point is: How well have you tried rcing before and after this update?

 

 

 

The point is that this update makes it both slower (not much, but still) and a lot more unconvient. I've done rc for countless of hours and I know how much even a small addition like that can make it even more worse.

 

 

 

And if mining is slower than rcing, you've either found out a new secret way to rc (and haven't managed to turn the xp to hiscores) or you are doing something seriously wrong in mining. Atm my mining xp stands at 5,549,363 and I know for a fact it isn't slower than rc.

 

Omg you and i can click mouses :shock: wait why did i quote you

 

 

 

well i think the ditch is the best thing ever since "runecrafting rewards"

[highlanders]

Wow, nice update against luring :thumbsup:

 

But now I'm definitively NOT going to Rc. This killed RC :uhh:

 

RC is soooooo deeeaaddd

[KingKnight1]

So, an extra click kills runecrafting?

[Dalcyte]

Wow, nice update against luring :thumbsup:

 

But now I'm definitively NOT going to Rc. This killed RC :uhh:

 

RC is soooooo deeeaaddd

 

 

 

ouch. another click...my life is ruined...

 

 

 

oh well, lower pure ess prices + higher nat prices=me more rich :thumbsup:

[warren211]

Exactly what I was thinking... Really a disaster... As if it wasn't slow already. Just because of a bunch of [...] noobs that get lured in the wilderness, us RC'ers get to pay the price.

 

 

 

Bah.

 

 

 

You don't need to be a noob to be scammed. I'm an avid trader, i could complain that the second trade screen wastes time because i watch what i'm being offered and am careful, and that its there because noobs get scammed. but i know its not only the noobs. jagex NEEDED to do this. just because you can't make money as fast it doesnt mean its unfair to stop a scam.

[Macmaster92]

Wow, nice update against luring :thumbsup:

 

But now I'm definitively NOT going to Rc. This killed RC :uhh:

 

RC is soooooo deeeaaddd

 

 

 

ouch. another click...my life is ruined...

 

 

 

oh well, lower pure ess prices + higher nat prices=me more rich :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Lol how many times are we going to say that to people? :XD:

[Panic_Pants]

Although I can honestly see why someone might get miffed over this (OMG my tried and true plan is ruined!) I don't see how bad it can get. Here are two scenarios

 

 

 

1. It does knock RC'ing down people's priority, and pure essence goes down, with rune prices rising. This will make runecrafting more profitable for the people who aren't deterred by such a simple detail, and those who complain can go fletch or something, keeping the hiscores for RC'ing rather low in comparison to other skills (more recognition for 99)

 

 

 

2. Nothing changes because people are resilient. You guys didn't complain a day ago, so it'd be pretty good.

 

 

 

Now, personally I don't care about people getting lured (I like runescape to stay smart, so Darwinism can work its route through luring) and I don't think this was a necessary step, but it's not that much of a bad thing. I'm not mad about the runecrafting at all, just the fact that now noobs will be more prevalent as it is now a safer climate for them to prosper.

[HellsBells]

Those idiots! People can still be lured! There are 2 paces after the ditch until you're in the wilderness...Good job JaGex! :thumbsup: :roll:

[Jimmyd17]

So... thanks for muddling up runecrafting. We runecrafters should be thanking the the despised, pixel-hugging lurers instead of Jagex though. Just like we should thank the oh-so-greedy (lazy) autoers for forcing Jagex to bring about the essence update last year. So, go easy on Jagex. They're simply protecting the rules of the game they created. If anyone deserves the flames for this update it should be communities like rsc that endorsed luring while it wasn't illegal... Thanks guys!

[King_Peter18]

king peter, you don't know what you're saying. and way to go berbatov agreeing on things that don't make sense ^^

 

Look peter, first of all the second extra is ALWAYS a second extra, even if you get placed random in the abyss, you will still have that second extra, it's not like now that we have the ditch our random chances to be placed closer to the nat entrance are bigger, no we can end on the opposite site just as before, so it takes 1 second more to make nats now.

 

 

 

:wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

 

 

 

Ok, you can continue to split hairs. The one second doesn't matter at all. See my previous post, or shall I dumb it down to your comprehension level?

[spikerkid]

You should be able to fill in the ditch or build a bridge. Since theres so many complainers about how it "ruined" runecrafting why not. So it means your the only one who can see the path so lurers can't say meet edgeville i'm fletching. Then run into wildy getting lured when you trade them, but you'd getting stopped if you didn't fill it in. Makes sense?