17-Apr-2007 Wilderness Ditch

[krisc6]

well rcers shouldnt be complaining anyway because if the abyss wasnt their then you would have to run t the alter youreself.its only a small obstacle to cross.anyway i guess its obvious theyre trying to eradicate wildy lures and i think it helps a lot but wont stop it.

 

 

 

weird update anyway

[anish00b]

and too those rcers. thers always clicking in runescape, there isnt one thing( that i know) that you dont have to click for. so one click wont make a big differnce

[Smapla]

:uhh:

[Toxic388]

#-o Nice. =D>

[Golvellius]

After all this time, they dig a ditch out of the blue... :?

 

They could have at least made it an agility obstacle with difficulty equal to olaf's bridge pre-nerf. :D

[Lakitsym_Rose]

And if you were running to the bank with low HP and poisoned, no food, this pretty much screwed your chances of living.

[Myweponsg00d]

Wait a minute...I am confused. I thought autoers used teleports? I thought they used the tree to get out there and then teled to the bank...I guess I am wrong though.

[Lakitsym_Rose]

Just saw the TB thing. Count on JAGeX to screw over PKers and RCers twice in the same update.

[Bloodredsword]

I finally have a bit more respect for Jagex :D =D>

[Lakitsym_Rose]

I finally have a bit more respect for Jagex :D =D>

Why does it matter to you, you don't RC and I hope you don't PK because you have horrible stats.

[evilrodyle]

why not a river...or a ditch of skelitons...or a river of molten lava...

 

 

 

Would've been cool imo -.-

 

 

 

Oh well, I guess shucks for rcers in a way...

 

 

 

Oh I thought of something else as well

 

 

 

 

 

Even if you take 2 seconds to cross the ditch, every 40 trips rcing you just lost 80 seconds which is like a whole trip

 

 

 

So yes, it does affect rcing

[jwrm22]

LOL @ Autodragon killers getting stuck

 

 

 

Hell, that's the best part of the whole deal.

 

 

 

they use the canoe and teles :wall:

[aoe325]

why not a river...or a ditch of skelitons...or a river of molten lava...

 

 

 

Would've been cool imo -.-

 

 

 

Oh well, I guess shucks for rcers in a way...

 

 

 

Oh I thought of something else as well

 

 

 

 

 

Even if you take 2 seconds to cross the ditch, every 40 trips rcing you just lost 80 seconds which is like a whole trip

 

 

 

So yes, it does affect rcing

 

 

 

It does NOT slow you doen for Andrew's sake!! :x

[Mordendravid]

why not a river...or a ditch of skelitons...or a river of molten lava...

 

 

 

Would've been cool imo -.-

 

 

 

Oh well, I guess shucks for rcers in a way...

 

 

 

Oh I thought of something else as well

 

 

 

 

 

Even if you take 2 seconds to cross the ditch, every 40 trips rcing you just lost 80 seconds which is like a whole trip

 

 

 

So yes, it does affect rcing

 

 

 

It does NOT slow you doen for Andrew's sake!! :x

 

 

 

YES it does! If it doesn't slow you down then you weren't going quick enough in the first place. Plus the little cape bloke is near where you have to click on the ditch so any misclick and you get offered the opportunity to buy a team cape... Joy.

[stan18]

lets use some logic

 

 

 

my claim: the 2 seconds lost does not make a significant impact

 

 

 

lets look at a real life example: You have to get to ___. on the way there are 5 stoplights. say you go normally, and the other instance, you are 1 minute late (you forget to turn off the stove or something). the stoplights are preset to turn red/green at specific times, so the only time that matters is when you actually get to the stoplight. You could leave your house on schedule, 9:30, or late, 9:31 and still stop at the first stoplight at 9:34 or 9:35 and still leave that stoplight at the same time, because the stoplight turns green at 9:36. repeat for the next 4 stoplights. a team of runner is as fast as the slowest runner.

 

 

 

now lets compare this to rs - what are those "stoplights"? runescape times itself on "ticks" or frames that are completely independent of user, so computer speed does not affect these ticks (i.e. say a tick occurs at 9:30:00 and ends at 9:31:00, so a pot you drink at 9:30:00 or at 9:30:59 decreases in value by one at 9:31:00 regardless). these ticks work for everything - i guess the server checks for an action every tick, hence, some teleports take slightly (really slightly) more time than others because you teleported right after a tick as opposed to right before. so every time you do something, (go from not moving to moving, loading the bank, withdrawing, etc.) you check for a tick. try teleporting a few times - some are immediate, some are not

 

 

 

upon running once, i loaded a minimum of 20 times (3 pouches, glory). thats 20 stoplights. 20 opportunities to put me behind a tick. that assumes thats the bare minumum. what if i fail an abyss entry-thing? what if i have to click more than once to get to one of those things? what if im pming someone (ok, that doesn't have to do with ticks, but it'll likely slow you down even more)? the ditch only adds 1 tick, as opposed to 20+. the ditch may put you behind 2 seconds (hell, when i did it, it seemed like less) but if you fall behind a few ticks anyways (you leave your house 1 minute early), the 2 seconds does not mean anything

 

 

 

edit: i guess i should put a conclusion

 

 

 

In conclusion, the ditch does not take a significant amout of time (or any time at all). Yes, it is a nuisance. but so are threads complaining about luring. and threads complaining about updates. hell, those threads take up time, too! in the time it took to type this, i could have run 2 or 3 abyss runs! take out whiners, please

 

 

 

im being sarcastic

[ugafan_2009]

At least the teleblock part is good, if you leave the wild you can tele instead of logging. Ditch is lame though.

[baalboy5]

they should have made it so that you could dig any part of the ditch to be filled up but your the only one that can see and use it

[Tbfgraphx14]

why not a river...or a ditch of skelitons...or a river of molten lava...

 

 

 

Would've been cool imo -.-

 

 

 

Oh well, I guess shucks for rcers in a way...

 

 

 

Oh I thought of something else as well

 

 

 

 

 

Even if you take 2 seconds to cross the ditch, every 40 trips rcing you just lost 80 seconds which is like a whole trip

 

 

 

So yes, it does affect rcing

 

 

 

Why not a small One Square so rcing would be much easier? Simple solution. You could tell too because the ditch is below it.

[ganon95]

1) this really, REALLY helps prevent luring :D :D =D> =D> =D> :D :D great update jagex!

 

 

 

2) anyone who says this slows down runecrafting is usually either trying to afk runecraft or auto, it only slows down your runecrafting by what? 5 seconds? big deal, so you have to click 1 or 2 more times its not like the world is gonna end because you lose 5 seocnds

[Macmaster92]

lets use some logic

 

 

 

my claim: the 2 seconds lost does not make a significant impact

 

 

 

lets look at a real life example: You have to get to ___. on the way there are 5 stoplights. say you go normally, and the other instance, you are 1 minute late (you forget to turn off the stove or something). the stoplights are preset to turn red/green at specific times, so the only time that matters is when you actually get to the stoplight. You could leave your house on schedule, 9:30, or late, 9:31 and still stop at the first stoplight at 9:34 or 9:35 and still leave that stoplight at the same time, because the stoplight turns green at 9:36. repeat for the next 4 stoplights. a team of runner is as fast as the slowest runner.

 

 

 

now lets compare this to rs - what are those "stoplights"? runescape times itself on "ticks" or frames that are completely independent of user, so computer speed does not affect these ticks (i.e. say a tick occurs at 9:30:00 and ends at 9:31:00, so a pot you drink at 9:30:00 or at 9:30:59 decreases in value by one at 9:31:00 regardless). these ticks work for everything - i guess the server checks for an action every tick, hence, some teleports take slightly (really slightly) more time than others because you teleported right after a tick as opposed to right before. so every time you do something, (go from not moving to moving, loading the bank, withdrawing, etc.) you check for a tick. try teleporting a few times - some are immediate, some are not

 

 

 

upon running once, i loaded a minimum of 20 times (3 pouches, glory). thats 20 stoplights. 20 opportunities to put me behind a tick. that assumes thats the bare minumum. what if i fail an abyss entry-thing? what if i have to click more than once to get to one of those things? what if im pming someone (ok, that doesn't have to do with ticks, but it'll likely slow you down even more)? the ditch only adds 1 tick, as opposed to 20+. the ditch may put you behind 2 seconds (hell, when i did it, it seemed like less) but if you fall behind a few ticks anyways (you leave your house 1 minute early), the 2 seconds does not mean anything

 

 

 

edit: i guess i should put a conclusion

 

 

 

In conclusion, the ditch does not take a significant amout of time (or any time at all). Yes, it is a nuisance. but so are threads complaining about luring. and threads complaining about updates. hell, those threads take up time, too! in the time it took to type this, i could have run 2 or 3 abyss runs! take out whiners, please

 

 

 

im being sarcastic

 

 

 

Very well said. Took me a little bit to understand but still well said.

 

 

 

Anyway i understand all of you saying it slowed down Rcing through the abys. As it may "supposedly" slow you down 1 or 2 seconds. I don't runecraft so i don't really understand the full impact of it. Even so it should not really make it much harder for you to take one second or two off your Rcing.

 

 

 

Its good that they are making it a challenge. I think the main reason they did this is just to shut up all the pretty much stupid people who kept getting lured.

 

 

 

Maybe they don't like what pking or Rcing has done to the game. And what people have done to it. I guess thats somthing we will never know.

[Sly_Wizard]

I predict Jagex's next update to be as such:

 

 

 

---

 

 

 

Would you like to enter the wilderness?

 

 

 

*Clicks yes*

 

 

 

Are you sure?

 

 

 

*Clicks yes*

 

 

 

Positive?

 

 

 

*Clicks yes*

 

 

 

You do realize what you're agreeing to, right?

 

 

 

*Clicks yes*

 

 

 

So you understand?

 

 

 

*Clicks yes*

 

 

 

Then you may proceed.

 

 

 

*Enters wilderness*

[Artemis1330]

why not a river...or a ditch of skelitons...or a river of molten lava...

 

 

 

Would've been cool imo -.-

 

 

 

I Agree.

 

 

 

However, I really dont see a point to it. lureing is against the rules, no one enters wild by mistake, and if you are a victim of a lure you deserve it.

 

 

 

pointless really.

[King_Peter18]

The one second delay means nothing when you enter the abyss.

 

 

 

Once you enter the abyss, you are randomly transported near any entrance to the center. Then depending on what entrance to the center you want to go to, you must find it. Then you must attempt to enter it. Depending on your luck. It could take 30+ seconds. Once you enter the middle, you must find the nature gate etc.

 

 

 

Therefore making that one second non visible and non affective.

 

 

 

As with the luring, do you folks know what Enron is? Ken Lay, etc.? Everyone knows the stock market is a dangerous place, but they still invest their money there. When Ken Lay and his company presidents and etc. Scammed all their investors out of their money, they were punished. So what you people are saying is that they shouldn't have been punished because people know the risks? We should allow people to steal like that?

 

 

 

Sly, there is your real life example of something that is like luring in real life, and the people who caused it, punished.

 

 

 

End.

[aznmidget448]

Good thing: There will be a huge decrease in luring

 

Bad thing: It's stupid

[berbatovsky]

The one second delay means nothing when you enter the abyss.

 

 

 

Once you enter the abyss, you are randomly transported near any entrance to the center. Then depending on what entrance to the center you want to go to, you must find it. Then you must attempt to enter it. Depending on your luck. It could take 30+ seconds. Once you enter the middle, you must find the nature gate etc.

 

 

 

Therefore making that one second non visible and non affective.

 

 

 

As with the luring, do you folks know what Enron is? Ken Lay, etc.? Everyone knows the stock market is a dangerous place, but they still invest their money there. When Ken Lay and his company presidents and etc. Scammed all their investors out of their money, they were punished. So what you people are saying is that they shouldn't have been punished because people know the risks? We should allow people to steal like that?

 

 

 

Sly, there is your real life example of something that is like luring in real life, and the people who caused it, punished.

 

 

 

End.

 

 

 

 

 

We have a winner, thats unarguable. Anyone posting after this beter be agreeing with this guy (because i know how touchy people can be i'm saying this tongue-in-cheek you can of course post whatever you want).