Firemaking, not a newb 99

[Inuashakent]

Cheap, and extremely fast xp rates. Boring as it may be, it's definetely not a hard 99.

[Shadow_Clawe]

I disagree with what people are saying that "everyone" with a fm/cook/fletch cape just did it for the looks. I started cooking nonstop from 40 something to 90, and I kept it up not because I wanted the cape for looks, but just because I enjoyed training the skill.

 

While some/alot of players DO get it for the looks, you cant know just by looking at them if they really love the skill.

[Myweponsg00d]

It seems there are two groups of people who talk about this being a "noob" skill. The first of these groups is the people who are calling it "noob" skill because it is useless or "Stupid" etc... This is completely unjustified. Technically the best money-makers in the game are all combat related so every skill is "useless" to have if you have trained it above the minimum requirement for things such as barrows gloves, house teleport portals, and such. If you have 99 woodcutting and you are calling FM a useless skill then you are nothing but a giant hypocrite. WC is not the best money-maker in the game, so you shouldn't have 99 in it if all see in things is their "usefullness". If your response to this is "well I just like woodcutting" then congrats, you just contradicted your beginning argument, because people should be allowed to enjoy firemaking if you are allowed to enjoy woodcutting.

 

 

 

The bottom line is that the highscores show skill totals and firemaking is just as useful of a 99 as most skills.

 

 

 

The second of these groups is justified in their labeling. These people say that fm is a "noob skill" because it is easy to get, and requires little money (or, maybe, is very common?). This is completely true. Skills that take a lot of time are: Mining, Agility, RC, Slayer, and Summoning. For these skills, the hourly exp rate maxes out with about 60k per hour in the highest of them. Then there are skills that take a lot of money (and if you believe time=money, then these also take a ton of time...but these are the "expensive buyables" that some people could get 99 in very quickly, if they happen to fall into a ton of lucky cash) such as Construction, Prayer, Crafting, Smithing, Farming, and Herblore. These clock in at usually over 150k exp per hour, some even going over the 300k mark. So far all of the skills I've listed would undoubtedly be considered "harder" than firemaking. With FM (MAPLES), the exp is nearly as fast as the "quick but hugely expensive" buyables, however the cost is embarassingly low.

 

 

 

The "non-noob" skills that are buyable (i.e. prayer, crafting) force you to spend AT LEAST 8 gp per exp. Some of them will even have you spending 10 or more gp per exp. What about Firemaking? You don't even spend 1 gp per exp! In fact, you spend less than 0.5 gp per exp if you're using maples. It'll cost under 4m to buy everything you need for 99 fm, and youll be getting 150k+ exp per hour. The only other skills that come close to that type of speed, with that low of spending, are Fletching, Theiving, and Cooking. Lowest costs, high exp rates, means the least time overall to get these skills to 99. Also, "buying" 99 firemaking is extremely feasible for noobs. If you made only 100k an hour, you could raise the money for 99 fm in less than two weeks time. If you wanted to get the 100m+ needed for 99 crafting, youd definitely be making money for months on end...In order for those 99s to be feasible, you need to have an income that is vastly higher than 100k per hour...even making 1m an hour, youd raise money for 100 hours before even embarking on your exp-gaining journey. You could raise money for 99 fm and have it trained to 99 before you even can gather the money for one of the "high end buyable" 99s. This is why fm is a "noob" or "Easy" 99...

[Troacctid]

The second of these groups is justified in their labeling. These people say that fm is a "noob skill" because it is easy to get, and requires little money (or, maybe, is very common?). This is completely true. Skills that take a lot of time are: Mining, Agility, RC, Slayer, and Summoning. For these skills, the hourly exp rate maxes out with about 60k per hour in the highest of them. Then there are skills that take a lot of money (and if you believe time=money, then these also take a ton of time...but these are the "expensive buyables" that some people could get 99 in very quickly, if they happen to fall into a ton of lucky cash) such as Construction, Prayer, Crafting, Smithing, Farming, and Herblore. These clock in at usually over 150k exp per hour, some even going over the 300k mark. So far all of the skills I've listed would undoubtedly be considered "harder" than firemaking. With FM (MAPLES), the exp is nearly as fast as the "quick but hugely expensive" buyables, however the cost is embarassingly low.

 

 

 

The "non-noob" skills that are buyable (i.e. prayer, crafting) force you to spend AT LEAST 8 gp per exp. Some of them will even have you spending 10 or more gp per exp. What about Firemaking? You don't even spend 1 gp per exp! In fact, you spend less than 0.5 gp per exp if you're using maples. It'll cost under 4m to buy everything you need for 99 fm, and youll be getting 150k+ exp per hour. The only other skills that come close to that type of speed, with that low of spending, are Fletching, Theiving, and Cooking. Lowest costs, high exp rates, means the least time overall to get these skills to 99. Also, "buying" 99 firemaking is extremely feasible for noobs. If you made only 100k an hour, you could raise the money for 99 fm in less than two weeks time. If you wanted to get the 100m+ needed for 99 crafting, youd definitely be making money for months on end...In order for those 99s to be feasible, you need to have an income that is vastly higher than 100k per hour...even making 1m an hour, youd raise money for 100 hours before even embarking on your exp-gaining journey. You could raise money for 99 fm and have it trained to 99 before you even can gather the money for one of the "high end buyable" 99s. This is why fm is a "noob" or "Easy" 99...

 

Yet, none of the people who list firemaking as a so-called "n00b" 99 mention thieving, which is faster and cheaper to get to 99 than firemaking (burning maples). If the criteria are as you've stated, firemaking is definitely less n00by than thieving, and you don't see people bashing thieving capes.

 

 

 

Even if firemaking is so bad, it's still a good 85 hours of training, not including the time it takes to get the cash. If the time-value is what counts, then for someone who can make 300k gp/hr, a firemaking cape should, in theory, be equally as n00by as a set of full dragon, as they would take about the same amount of time to acquire, and neither has practical value in gameplay aside from appearance.

[Myweponsg00d]

 

Yet, none of the people who list firemaking as a so-called "n00b" 99 mention thieving, which is faster and cheaper to get to 99 than firemaking (burning maples). If the criteria are as you've stated, firemaking is definitely less n00by than thieving, and you don't see people bashing thieving capes.

 

 

 

Even if firemaking is so bad, it's still a good 85 hours of training, not including the time it takes to get the cash. If the time-value is what counts, then for someone who can make 300k gp/hr, a firemaking cape should, in theory, be equally as n00by as a set of full dragon, as they would take about the same amount of time to acquire, and neither has practical value in gameplay aside from appearance.

 

 

 

I agree. The only thing I can think of is that you can't have 99 thieving "in your bank" and then be sure youll never have to buy any more resources. Not saying I feel that way, just that I can see how it would have a different psychological appeal. To me the difference is non existent and I place thieve on roughly equal ground with fm.

 

 

 

Also a level 3 can get 99 fm just as easy as a 138. For PP however, it is quite impossible for a level 3 to do. More requirements/more combat="harder" skill maybe? Who knows.

[deskjethp]

Firemaking is an awesome cape!!! seriously!!! AWESOME!!! Even when I didnt have one ... 5 days ago that was... i still thought they were awesome!! Awesome skill... awesome cape!! People are just jealous! 99 fm new years eve!! FIRE!!!

[Melos]

Lol, I do agree. Getting any skill to 99 is something to be proud of.

[Natedoggygog]

I HATE firemaking, lol.

 

 

 

I couldn't stand getting it to 70, and it's going to be horrible getting 92 for the adze. I myself actually respect the firemaking cape. I don't know why others bash on it, because truly it's horrible leveling it. You my friend, are crazy. Although, I do not respect an untrimmed firemaking cape, because obviously that person leveled it just to get a skillcape.

[BHG]

I agree.

 

I'm going for the cape atm (click my siggy), I am finding it very difficult because I don't have a lot of patience, if you talk to somebody, it distracts you and you stop firemaking (unlike cooking, which is auto). I find both firemaking and cooking fun in a wierd way, but both are boring. I still want both capes!!!!!

[alphakoldes]

Who gives a [cabbage]? If you care so much what people think about your cape and your 99, you obviously have it for the wrong reasons.

[Ubermager716]

If your going to spend the time to get a 99, get one that you enjoy. If you like firemaking for whatever reason and you want to get the cape, than more power to you. If your getting a 99 to impress someone, in my opinion your wasting your time and money.

[Laura]

It's annoying, but still very cheap and fast. That combination makes it called a "newb" 99.

 

 

 

Hunter is faster and you gain profit with it. Shouldn't that be more "newb" then?

 

Magic logs= 99 fm in 4 or 5 days, its a buyable noob skill.

 

I'm surprised at your ignorance of common variables. And while I commend you on your high level stats, you show little effort towards "buyable" skills. Burning magics from level 75 would result in a net loss of nearly 50M, which the average person isn't going to be able to make in four days.

[Badgers]

I agree 100%, at one point I was going to try and go for 99 firemaking(using a combination of logs I wc'd and bought ones) and I couldn't make it up to 60 firemaking without the boredom kicking in. It is one brutal skill to do. People shouldn't bash it because they haven't done it, and they don't know what a downright pain it is...

[doomy]

Another thread about noob 99s, seriously, why care if somebody doesn't think its a big achievement?

[bedman]

The second of these groups is justified in their labeling. These people say that fm is a "noob skill" because it is easy to get, and requires little money (or, maybe, is very common?). This is completely true. Skills that take a lot of time are: Mining, Agility, RC, Slayer, and Summoning. For these skills, the hourly exp rate maxes out with about 60k per hour in the highest of them. Then there are skills that take a lot of money (and if you believe time=money, then these also take a ton of time...but these are the "expensive buyables" that some people could get 99 in very quickly, if they happen to fall into a ton of lucky cash) such as Construction, Prayer, Crafting, Smithing, Farming, and Herblore. These clock in at usually over 150k exp per hour, some even going over the 300k mark. So far all of the skills I've listed would undoubtedly be considered "harder" than firemaking. With FM (MAPLES), the exp is nearly as fast as the "quick but hugely expensive" buyables, however the cost is embarassingly low.

 

 

 

The "non-noob" skills that are buyable (i.e. prayer, crafting) force you to spend AT LEAST 8 gp per exp. Some of them will even have you spending 10 or more gp per exp. What about Firemaking? You don't even spend 1 gp per exp! In fact, you spend less than 0.5 gp per exp if you're using maples. It'll cost under 4m to buy everything you need for 99 fm, and youll be getting 150k+ exp per hour. The only other skills that come close to that type of speed, with that low of spending, are Fletching, Theiving, and Cooking. Lowest costs, high exp rates, means the least time overall to get these skills to 99. Also, "buying" 99 firemaking is extremely feasible for noobs. If you made only 100k an hour, you could raise the money for 99 fm in less than two weeks time. If you wanted to get the 100m+ needed for 99 crafting, youd definitely be making money for months on end...In order for those 99s to be feasible, you need to have an income that is vastly higher than 100k per hour...even making 1m an hour, youd raise money for 100 hours before even embarking on your exp-gaining journey. You could raise money for 99 fm and have it trained to 99 before you even can gather the money for one of the "high end buyable" 99s. This is why fm is a "noob" or "Easy" 99...

 

Yet, none of the people who list firemaking as a so-called "n00b" 99 mention thieving, which is faster and cheaper to get to 99 than firemaking (burning maples). If the criteria are as you've stated, firemaking is definitely less n00by than thieving, and you don't see people bashing thieving capes.

 

 

 

Even if firemaking is so bad, it's still a good 85 hours of training, not including the time it takes to get the cash. If the time-value is what counts, then for someone who can make 300k gp/hr, a firemaking cape should, in theory, be equally as n00by as a set of full dragon, as they would take about the same amount of time to acquire, and neither has practical value in gameplay aside from appearance.

 

 

 

It's pretty strange, but most skill cape hunters (you know what I mean, or not?) go for 99 cooking, flethcing or firemaking. The moment I see a lot of lvl 85s with thieving capes, I'm considering it noob too.

 

 

 

And amen to Alphakoldes. "If you care so much about what other people think about it, you got it for the wrong reasons".

[Lord_Shalaj]

There are 3 things which determine the level of difficulty of a cape,

 

 

 

1. Xp/Hour (Time)

 

2. Money Invested (Amount In )

 

*3. Potential return

 

 

 

So when someone says that a skill is nooby its not directed specifically to the skill, but relative to all other skills. Firemaking might be hard , but not harder than the majority of skills.

 

 

 

Firemaking doesnt have a return which takes away a great deal of reason/purpose in training the skill. Apart from that it has a higher than average xp/hour for the money spent which makes it easily obtainable. A General Joe may not see the purpose in draining money and time into a skill with no far-reaching benefit and therefore concludes that in all probability its for the cape to show off .

 

 

 

If you got 99 fm/cook/fletch to just own a cape and show off and wonder why people call you names - well thats the precise reason why they do . However, If you liked the skill and had fun training it, good for you! Of course the majority may not agree but if you had fun why should you bother convincing others...you can live with the thought that you had 100 odd enjoyable hours more than the person calling you names.

 

 

 

To say that all 99s are equal is no way fair to relate a skill which takes months to level to a skill which takes just a week.

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

Lord Shalaj

[bedman]

I like how you try to analyse the whole thing Shalaj, but for me personally, it's the reason behind it.

 

When I was a lvl 85, I didnt feel the urge to spend hours and hours burning trees, or cooking fish. Now, with those skillcapes, every lvl 85 with at least a few mill, somehow feels the urge to get a 99 for this "uber" skillcape. That annoys me. Do I have a objective reason for it? No, it's just personal.

 

Let come what comes. It took me 5 years for a 99.

 

 

 

So yes, I somehow get annoyed by people that play not the way I do, sorry for that. Can't hide my feelings, can I.

[Esper_Jones]

It's pretty strange, but most skill cape hunters (you know what I mean, or not?) go for 99 cooking, flethcing or firemaking. The moment I see a lot of lvl 85s with thieving capes, I'm considering it noob too.

 

 

 

I still wear mine with pride, as I got 90 in classic. :P

 

 

 

*grumbleplundergrumble*

[Davix12]

Another phrase you can say to people who insults you

 

 

 

"Is my account, is my money... Not yours"

[das]

It's pretty strange, but most skill cape hunters (you know what I mean, or not?) go for 99 cooking, flethcing or firemaking. The moment I see a lot of lvl 85s with thieving capes, I'm considering it noob too.

 

 

 

I still wear mine with pride, as I got 90 in classic. :P

 

 

 

*grumbleplundergrumble*

 

 

 

 

 

Wonder what the original 99 cook's and fletchers think now, no way in hell do half of the people who have 99 cook now would do the certing/recerting cooking in draynor routine.

 

 

 

The majority of RS2 players are spoiled to a point it's downright sickening, Although, I got to admit, I love the make - x stuff, so much I want it for Firemaking ;)

[Demoli]

It's pretty strange, but most skill cape hunters (you know what I mean, or not?) go for 99 cooking, flethcing or firemaking. The moment I see a lot of lvl 85s with thieving capes, I'm considering it noob too.

 

 

 

I still wear mine with pride, as I got 90 in classic. :P

 

 

 

*grumbleplundergrumble*

 

 

 

 

 

Wonder what the original 99 cook's and fletchers think now, no way in hell do half of the people who have 99 cook now would do the certing/recerting cooking in draynor routine.

 

 

 

The majority of RS2 players are spoiled to a point it's downright sickening, Although, I got to admit, I love the make - x stuff, so much I want it for Firemaking ;)

 

 

 

Are you serious?

 

If they ever release a Burn-x option, then FM would be the lamest skill ever. I seriously hope they dont do that, same applies to other stuff (alching for ex.)

[Misterknowitall]

So up untill now we have these things:

 

 

 

1. 99 Firemaking should be respected because:

 

- It's boring, so not many people can keep up training it, however some think it's fun (me being one of those people).

 

- It has a cool emote.

 

- A 99 skill IS a 99 skill, no matter wich skill.

 

 

 

2. 99 Firemaking should not be respected because:

 

- It's fast.

 

- It's cheap.

 

- It has no uses beyond 92, but not many skills have a real use at lvl 99.

 

- People get it to get a cape.

 

- Simple, eg. not a lot of ways to train. Just buy maples, willows, yews, etc. and burn like hell. Unless you decide to use the beacon network and add some spunk to the training.

[Kenneh]

I was one of those noobs that done 99 firemaking first. Sold my bank, spent 23m on yews, and burnt like hell. Burnt 11k logs a day at some point and was done within a week. Great first 99 for me :P

 

I respect 99 firemaking because i know simply how mind numbing it is. ALL THAT CLICKINGNGNGNGN :wall:

[bedman]

So up untill now we have these things:

 

 

 

1. 99 Firemaking should be respected because:

 

- It's boring, so not many people can keep up training it, however some think it's fun (me being one of those people).

 

- It has a cool emote.

 

- A 99 skill IS a 99 skill, no matter wich skill.

 

 

 

2. 99 Firemaking should not be respected because:

 

- It's fast.

 

- It's cheap.

 

- It has no uses beyond 92, but not many skills have a real use at lvl 99.

 

- People get it to get a cape.

 

 

 

Nice summarizing.

 

 

 

For me its mostly the last option of option 2. Also, for me personally this is coupled with the fact that it's boring (well, most people think it is), so that strongly suggests that (most) people just get it for the cape.

 

Another argument you could throw in, is that it's dead simple. There are like 4 options to train it: Maples, Eucs, Yews, and magics. Once you've bought them, it's just spending away. With, say, herblore, you actually need to calc out which pot is best to train on, factoring in wether it's easily sellable, the xp/h rate you get, etc...

 

On the other hand, some other buyables are also dead simple (but require more money).

[Misterknowitall]

So up untill now we have these things:

 

 

 

1. 99 Firemaking should be respected because:

 

- It's boring, so not many people can keep up training it, however some think it's fun (me being one of those people).

 

- It has a cool emote.

 

- A 99 skill IS a 99 skill, no matter wich skill.

 

 

 

2. 99 Firemaking should not be respected because:

 

- It's fast.

 

- It's cheap.

 

- It has no uses beyond 92, but not many skills have a real use at lvl 99.

 

- People get it to get a cape.

 

 

 

Nice summarizing.

 

 

 

For me its mostly the last option of option 2. Also, for me personally this is coupled with the fact that it's boring (well, most people think it is), so that strongly suggests that (most) people just get it for the cape.

 

Another argument you could throw in, is that it's dead simple. There are like 4 options to train it: Maples, Eucs, Yews, and magics. Once you've bought them, it's just spending away. With, say, herblore, you actually need to calc out which pot is best to train on, factoring in wether it's easily sellable, the xp/h rate you get, etc...

 

On the other hand, some other buyables are also dead simple (but require more money).

 

 

 

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