200M in all Skills

[xpx]

He could get it back, if he wanted to.

 

There is no doubt, if he decided for 200m all skills, that Zezima, in time, would be a serious contender.

He'd need to outgain skiller by 1.5 times to have a chance so i seriously doubt it. He never truly was that great, just consistent(Nova outgained him in less than half the playing time, for example). I wouldn't also call him a real oldschool number one, as there were many great players much before him, much better(efficient, etc) than him.

 

Oldschool isn't defined just by how efficient one plays, but more factors like popularity, playtime length and perhaps the fact that he was #1 for so long - I'm talking rs2 and not classic.

 

I feel exactly the same as Squisher and Obt: Zarfot was my favourite, but if he doesn't return, Suomi would be my guess.

If you think about it, the longer you are the number one, the less likely you are to be considered oldschool. It's true that he is an oldschool skiller, but he didn't achieve rank one until rs2, which really can't be considered oldschool. Being oldschool has nothing to do with popularity, efficiency or anything like that, it's purely about when someone reached number one. As for him having a chance, considering some people are already half there and that zezima isn't an efficient or nolife skiller(he was nothing like zarfot or soumi/drumgun), it's highly unlikely, infact, i'd guess that if he didn't stop playing, he wouldn't be number one today(he was great because of consistency, and nothing else).

[Makaveli_93]

He could get it back, if he wanted to.

 

There is no doubt, if he decided for 200m all skills, that Zezima, in time, would be a serious contender.

He'd need to outgain skiller by 1.5 times to have a chance so i seriously doubt it. He never truly was that great, just consistent(Nova outgained him in less than half the playing time, for example). I wouldn't also call him a real oldschool number one, as there were many great players much before him, much better(efficient, etc) than him.

 

Oldschool isn't defined just by how efficient one plays, but more factors like popularity, playtime length and perhaps the fact that he was #1 for so long - I'm talking rs2 and not classic.

 

I feel exactly the same as Squisher and Obt: Zarfot was my favourite, but if he doesn't return, Suomi would be my guess.

If you think about it, the longer you are the number one, the less likely you are to be considered oldschool. It's true that he is an oldschool skiller, but he didn't achieve rank one until rs2, which really can't be considered oldschool. Being oldschool has nothing to do with popularity, efficiency or anything like that, it's purely about when someone reached number one. As for him having a chance, considering some people are already half there and that zezima isn't an efficient or nolife skiller(he was nothing like zarfot or soumi/drumgun), it's highly unlikely, infact, i'd guess that if he didn't stop playing, he wouldn't be number one today(he was great because of consistency, and nothing else).

 

Umm, Zezima first achieved rank 1 in RSC in October 2003. Here's a direct quote from his Tip it interview: "October 2003...and I lost it when rs2 was released because I didnt train runecrafting until Choppermad (who was #2 at the time) got to level 73 runecrafting or so..." And the beta version of RuneScape2 was released in December 2003. Therefore your statement about him not being an old school top players is false lol.

[xpx]

 

Umm, Zezima first achieved rank 1 in RSC in October 2003. Here's a direct quote from his Tip it interview: "October 2003...and I lost it when rs2 was released because I didnt train runecrafting until Choppermad (who was #2 at the time) got to level 73 runecrafting or so..." And the beta version of RuneScape2 was released in December 2003. Therefore your statement about him not being an old school top players is false lol.

Everything in rsc is not oldschool. So i missed by half a year... too bad as i didn't look it up anywhere, further considering that he didn't achieve it because he outskilled anyone(everyone before him just quit).

[langer]

I have to disagree with you Xpx here. Someone that gets to rank 1 has outskilled every other player, no matter when it happens, no matter who it is.

 

As for Zezima, being the first to 99 slayer shows him outskilling everyone at that time.

[xpx]

I have to disagree with you Xpx here. Someone that gets to rank 1 has outskilled every other player, no matter when it happens, no matter who it is.

 

As for Zezima, being the first to 99 slayer shows him outskilling everyone at that time.

If you knew the circumstances you likely wouldn't say that, unless you think of skiller as a better player for zarfot and gert quitting. I'd bet it's hard to find anyone zezima has ever actually 'outskilled'. Having seen the whole of his number one period, i've never thought of him as a nolifer on an efficient skiller- he was always very consistent in what he was doing and gained the rank that way. The thing with novalyfe proves this most of all(for anyone that doesn't know, nova player for less than 2 years to achieve rank one, while zezima had already played for around 6 years).

[Viv]

I have to disagree with you Xpx here. Someone that gets to rank 1 has outskilled every other player, no matter when it happens, no matter who it is.

 

As for Zezima, being the first to 99 slayer shows him outskilling everyone at that time.

If you knew the circumstances you likely wouldn't say that, unless you think of skiller as a better player for zarfot and gert quitting. I'd bet it's hard to find anyone zezima has ever actually 'outskilled'. Having seen the whole of his number one period, i've never thought of him as a nolifer on an efficient skiller- he was always very consistent in what he was doing and gained the rank that way. The thing with novalyfe proves this most of all(for anyone that doesn't know, nova player for less than 2 years to achieve rank one, while zezima had already played for around 6 years).

years played doesnt mean that much tho ;o like people have their fast and slow points skilling..

 

and if someone quits because of burnout then yah the person that didnt quit is a better player ye imo...

[Golvellius]

No one will ever be more famous than zezima.

I was sad to not see his name on the high level players forum list.

I can only imagine that he asked not to be on it.

[deyan2]

I see Zezima a bit like Johan Cruyff, he was the best of all time, but not any more at this very moment.

Zarfot like Messi, Drumgun like Ronaldo.

 

 

 

 

Edit: The only way Zezima can come back is if old quitters suddenly offer him sick massive piles of money, rares and other stuff after trade comes back.

 

*And then really sick amounts so he can actually train prayer, construction and other skills way faster as any person has ever done before.

[MoneyCraftin]

I see Zezima a bit like Johan Cruyff, he was the best of all time, but not any more at this very moment.Zarfot like Messi, Drumgun like Ronaldo.Edit: The only way Zezima can come back is if old quitters suddenly offer him sick massive piles of money, rares and other stuff after trade comes back.

 

Lold, and i suppose Skiller is like Rooney / Torres then huh, was arguably the best striker around yet now is out of form and away from the top

[gremmy]

He could get it back, if he wanted to.

 

There is no doubt, if he decided for 200m all skills, that Zezima, in time, would be a serious contender.

He'd need to outgain skiller by 1.5 times to have a chance so i seriously doubt it. He never truly was that great, just consistent(Nova outgained him in less than half the playing time, for example). I wouldn't also call him a real oldschool number one, as there were many great players much before him, much better(efficient, etc) than him.

 

Oldschool isn't defined just by how efficient one plays, but more factors like popularity, playtime length and perhaps the fact that he was #1 for so long - I'm talking rs2 and not classic.

 

I feel exactly the same as Squisher and Obt: Zarfot was my favourite, but if he doesn't return, Suomi would be my guess.

If you think about it, the longer you are the number one, the less likely you are to be considered oldschool. It's true that he is an oldschool skiller, but he didn't achieve rank one until rs2, which really can't be considered oldschool. Being oldschool has nothing to do with popularity, efficiency or anything like that, it's purely about when someone reached number one. As for him having a chance, considering some people are already half there and that zezima isn't an efficient or nolife skiller(he was nothing like zarfot or soumi/drumgun), it's highly unlikely, infact, i'd guess that if he didn't stop playing, he wouldn't be number one today(he was great because of consistency, and nothing else).

 

So by your logic, nobody is oldschool but those who has been #1? I'd say having played RSC makes you oldschool. I guess it depends on how you define the term "old school", but I think more than the small handful of players who have been #1 are old school.

[deyan2]

I see Zezima a bit like Johan Cruyff, he was the best of all time, but not any more at this very moment.Zarfot like Messi, Drumgun like Ronaldo.Edit: The only way Zezima can come back is if old quitters suddenly offer him sick massive piles of money, rares and other stuff after trade comes back.

 

Lold, and i suppose Skiller is like Rooney / Torres then huh, was arguably the best striker around yet now is out of form and away from the top

More like David Beckham, he's the best if you look at his cash/rs xp, but actually...

 

 

*edit no wait, Gertjaars is David Beckham! Skiller is Seedorf :P

[pyl]

Well S U O M I is Zidane!

[Jebrim]

In the past, the hiscores were really low on competition. I recently wrote several long posts on the RSOF explaining the history of the Agility hiscores. I decided to share it with you guys, particularly with this talk of Zezima and RSC hiscores going around. These posts are in reply to someone else, btw.

 

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Competition sucked. I have the whole history of the Agility hiscores in over 100 screenshots. Let me give you some info.

 

 

Agility came out in December, 2002.

 

Thehate reached 99 Agility on April 19, 2003.

 

Mad Max 87 was the second person to reach 99 Agility, 4 months later.

 

By April 2004, a year after Thehate had reached 99 Agility, only 7 people had 99 Agility! Dakini Sword was rank 1 with 17m Xp.

 

3 months later, there were 8 99's and Dakini Sword was rank 1 with 18.5m Xp. Back then one could maintain rank 1 without ever training for a very long time. This state remains for years.

 

By March 2005, 2 years after Thehate got 99 Agility, Dakini Sword was still rank 1 and with 22m Xp. During this time, she really had no competition. Inuyasha8750 is about to change that, as he gets 99 Agility about now and then trades in 10m Xp's worth in tickets in April to surprise her and take rank 1. In March, though, he is the 16th player to reach 99 Agility(not counting his secret tickets).

 

Over the next few weeks, they battle it out for rank 1 and Dakini loses, giving up on trying to beat Inuyasha while in the upper 20m's. Inu continues to train to 40m Xp and then stops. Dakini stops at 29m Xp. It is July, 2005 now. Rank 3(Chesstiki) is at 20m Xp and doesn't ever train again. Ranks 4 and down are all 15m Xp or less, never doing any serious training. 20 people have 99 Agility at this point, 2.5 years after Agility came out.

 

By February 2006, the hiscores haven't really changed much. In almost a year, Inuyasha has gained only 5m Xp, Dakini less than 2m, Chesstiki none, and ranks 4 down are still at 15m Xp or less. Competition is seriously lacking, as nobody feels the need to do any further training and 200m Xp Agility isn't even conceived of.

 

By March 2006, 3 years after Thehate got 99 Agility, we finally have Lover Romeo appear. He's the first to train past the 15m or less group and passes Chesstiki(who is still at 20m Xp). Lover Romeo sits at rank 3 and 21m Xp til summer.

 

During the summer of 2006, Lover Romeo trains to 27m Xp and stops again. Inuyasha8750, who's been at 47m Xp since April, decides to start training again and enters the 50m's. At this point, Dakini Sword still remains in 2nd at 31m Xp, with Romeo just 4m behind. In August 2006, there are now 3 people with 20m Xp(including the disappear Chesstiki), and the other ranks are 17m and under.

 

In October 2006, the top 3 start training a bit. Inuyasha reaches 55m Xp, Dakini Sword reaches 35m Xp, and Lover Romeo reaches 30m Xp. Rank 4 is Sundance48 at 23m Xp. She later gets banned.

 

During November and December 2006, Lover Romeo begins his real Agility training. At this point, he becomes the first person to actively work towards constantly training Agility, even if he goes back and forth with Mining(which he's already got a ton of Xp in right now). Inuyasha8750 hits 60m Xp and stops, Lover Romeo passes Dakini Sword and enters the 40m's, Dakini Sword only does a little training to 36m, and Sundance48 does the same to 26m Xp.

 

The hiscores remain uneventful rank-wise until March 2007. This is now 4 years since Thehate got 99 Agility. Lover Romeo finally catches up with Inuyasha8750 at 61m Xp and passes him for a short time. Inu, after being rank 1 for 2 years, doesn't like this one bit so he nolifes hard and passes Lover Romeo again. When both reach 70m Xp in April(the biggest Agility nolifing since Inuyasha took #1 from Dakini 2 years ago), they come to some sort of agreement and both stop. Dakini Sword trains to 40m Xp to put some distance from Sundance48, who reaches 30m Xp. Everyone else is 17m-26m Xp. Skwysh is at 23m Xp and Marlinchick at 18m Xp(future ranks 4 and 2, respectively).

 

Summer 2007 sees some changes in ranks. Right before it starts, Sundance48 gets banned. Marlinchick rises to take the rank 4 spot in late June. July sees Inuyasha at 71m Xp, Lover Romeo at 70.5m Xp, Dakini Sword at 43m Xp, and Marlinchick at 36m Xp. Skwysh, at rank 7, reaches 30m Xp.

 

Moving onto August, Inuyasha8750 starts to train but gets banned(for hacking, not botting). This leaves a clear path for Lover Romeo, who after having spent a long time doing Mining(I believe he's 130m Xp at this point, not sure), starts training again himself. Late in the month, he gets to 77m Xp, Dakini Sword hits 44m Xp, Marlinchick hits 41m Xp, and Skwysh takes rank 4 with 34m Xp. Revan Lives(future 200m rank 5) reaches rank 8 at 28m Xp.

 

During October 2007, Lover Romeo hits 100m Xp. Things are finally starting to get intense on the top page. It now requires 20m Xp to get on. Marlinchick passes Dakini Sword and gets 47m Xp. Dakini remains at 44m and Skwysh gets to 40m Xp.

 

A month later, Lover Romeo is 110m Xp, Marlinchick is 61m Xp!(the biggest monthly gain to date), Dakini Sword is 44m still, and Skwysh is 42m.

 

Another month later, we're in December 2007 now, Lover Romeo gets to 121m Xp, Marlinchick to 73m Xp, Skwysh passes Dakini Sword and gets 45m Xp. By now, Dakini's given up on rank and remains at her 44m Xp for a very long time. Revan Lives is at rank 7 with 37m Xp.

 

2007 was the beginning of competition, but 2008 is where nolifing really starts showing. By February 1st, 2008, Lover Romeo is 140m Xp and takes his first break to train Mining again since doubling his Agility Xp from 6 months ago. He does 10m more in Mining to have both skills at 140m Xp and from then on goes back and forth with 10-20m in each. Marlinchick has stopped for a break at 77m-78m Xp as well. Skwysh is at 50m Xp and Revan Lives is now rank 4 with 46m Xp. At this point, I'm barely level 90.

 

I get 99 Agility on April 26, 2008. Lover Romeo is at 150m Xp, Marlinchick at 81m Xp and there for a long break, and Skwysh and Revan Lives are fighting back and forth for rank 3 at about 60m Xp. I get to 20m Xp exactly 2 weeks later, but end up losing my internet connection for a week, so I am forced to slow down. I'm not yet top page. I don't get it until early June at about 26m Xp.

 

Late June 2008 has Lover Romeo still at 150m Xp. Marlinchick is training again due to Skwysh closing in, so she is at 91m Xp. She decides to try to catch up to Lover Romeo and from around now on, does some massive 20m+ months. Lover Romeo is doing 10m Xp months in either Agility or Mining, due to similar Xp/hr rates(50k+). Skwysh is at 80m Xp and was the winner of the fight against Revan. Revan Lives is at 71m Xp. This is exactly 2 months after I got 99 Agility and I'm at rank 12 with 33m Xp, closing the gap rather quickly.

 

Another 2 months later in late August has Lover Romeo at 174m Xp, Marlinchick at 131m Xp, Skwysh at 100m Xp, Revan Lives at 83m Xp, with everyone else between 28m Xp and 62m Xp. I am at rank 7 with 55m Xp.

 

A month after this, late September 2008, Lover Romeo is 185m Xp, Marlinchick is 135m Xp(she gave up on rank 1), Skwysh is 106m Xp, Revan Lives is 90m Xp, and I'm rank 5 at 70m Xp. Dakini Sword is still at 44m Xp, but has only dropped to rank 8. Exactly 1 week later, I hit 77m Xp, setting the #1 week record ever gained at either Ape Atoll or Dorgesh-Kaan. I get a total of 25m Xp that month as well, also beating Marlin's #1 month record of 24m. Both week and month records were never beaten.

 

Jumping ahead again, I pass Revan Lives right before 100m Xp and we have a joint party together on November 8, 2008. This is when I take my first real break from Agility since I got 99 6 months previous. Lover Romeo's best in 6 months was 70m Xp, Marlin managed 50m Xp in 3 months(which is really good btw), but only 70m as her best in 6. I did over 80m Xp in that time.

 

So in early November, Lover Romeo had 190m Xp in both skills. Marlinchick had 145m Agility Xp and Skwysh had 118m Xp. Both Revan and myself were at 100m Xp and remain there for awhile. Two others were around 70m Xp, and the rest of the hiscores were between 30m and Dakini Sword at 44m Xp. Lover Romeo got both 200m's on Valentine's day(Feb 14) in 2009.

 

As you can see, people didn't all start at the same time and the early hiscores were pretty much dead for years. Both Marlinchick and myself were the only ones to ever do more than 20m Xp in a month before the Advanced courses came out in late June 2009. Previously, people used either Ape Atoll or Dorgesh-Kaan, both around the same Xp/hr(50k+), but with Dorgesh-Kaan slightly more. In terms of time from 99 to 200m Xp, I was the fastest person of the 5 people who got 200m with most of their Xp from non-advanced courses. In that way, I actually did win the race. That is even including if you ignored Lover Romeo's time Mining and only counted his Agility.

 

After the courses came out, Revan and I managed to finally convince S U O M I to train Agility and he pulled some pretty steady high months, ultimately enough to put himself as the fastest trainer to 200m, even excluding the fact that he used faster courses and less hours total. I don't deny him credit for that. So within one year of Lover Romeo reaching 200m, there were 6 people at 200m. Before 2008, the hiscores were a joke. After Suomi reached 200m in January 2010, the hiscores died down once again. In 2007, there were only two people training Agility constantly, Lover Romeo and Marlinchick. In 2008, that number rose to 6. As people started getting their 200m's during 2009, that number dwindled. With the 6th 200m, all of the previous constant Agility trainers were gone. Obey The Cow would be the next person to get 200m, but it was done with absolutely no competition and there was for a long time a huge gap from 200m's to the lower ranks.

 

For years, I've been trying to add more competition to the Agility hiscores. In the past year, I've finally succeeded. With the creation of the True Masters of Agility clan and my 1bil goal, it has spawned a lot of interest in high Agility Xp and a lot of people are going for 200m now. The big gaps are now closed and I expect top page to fill up in early 2012 with all 200m's.

 

To sum it up and be able to compare easily, here's data for the Xp for the top 2 players every 1 year from the time Thehate got 99 Agility. These are all dated in the Spring of that year.

 

2003: Thehate - 13m Xp/Max Max 87 - 5.5m Xp

2004: Dakini Sword - 17m Xp/Duece Winsor - 16.5m Xp

2005: Inuyasha8750 - 26m Xp/Dakini Sword - 25m Xp

2006: Inuyasha8750 - 47m Xp/Dakini Sword - 31m Xp

2007: Inuyasha8750 - 71m Xp/Lover Romeo - 70m Xp

2008: Lover Romeo - 146m Xp/Marlinchick - 81m Xp

2009: Lover Romeo - 200m Xp/Marlinchick - 176m Xp

 

Let's examine the Xp increases each year for the top 2 ranks:

 

2003-2004: +9m/+11m

2004-2005: +9m/+9m

2005-2006: +21m/+6m

2006-2007: +24m/+39m

2007-2008: +75m/+11m

2008-2009: +54m/+95m

 

As you can see, the hiscores had a lot more bigger gains as the years went by. It wasn't even due to better courses coming out either. The Wilderness Course came out before Thehate even hit 99 Agility, giving about 35k Xp/hr at the time in RSC. That rate increased a bit with RS2. Ape Atoll came out between 2005 and 2006, bringing rates to over 50k Xp/hr. Dorgesh-Kaan came out in 2007, affecting rates only slightly. Rates haven't changed that much, only doubling since RSC days to what they are today.

 

These days, it's not rare to see over 100m Agility Xp gained in a year. In fact, to get any less is to be considered really slow. The big difference from today and from the past is that there actually is competition today. Back then, people just did not train Agility on a daily basis. They did little bursts of a couple of months at most and then stopped. Even their bursts weren't much in terms of nolifing. Comparing this as a big marathon is just highly inaccurate, particularly with some people having early leads.

 

I'll be posting a video or two of the complete history of the Agility hiscores. It'll consist of well over 100 screenshots of the front page. I'm not sure when I'll get around to doing it, as I want to add icons for changes in ranks and also show display name changes. It'll probably be awhile before it comes.

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[xpx]

So by your logic, nobody is oldschool but those who has been #1? I'd say having played RSC makes you oldschool. I guess it depends on how you define the term "old school", but I think more than the small handful of players who have been #1 are old school.

By that logic, there is a big list of great players who were much better skillers and worked much harder for number one before zez ever got the chance to, and him being first for so long doesn't help either(as he is not only recognized by old-school players, but most of the fame is gathered relatively lately). You not knowing those people doesn't mean they didn't exist, but there are atleast 5 legendary number ones before him, just as there has been many after him. Even if you go by the dominance of a number one, zezima wouldn't be on the top of that list, as l6vi was times better for the time he actually played. Learn the history, zezima isn't it(although his consistency really helped in making him legendary).

 

And yes, i don't think someone else quitting makes others better players. I have never heard of a pro-sports player who got into the hall of fame for longevity, while being completely average trough their careers. Is Brett Favre the best QB ever, just because he has the most passing yards(or any other stat, infact)? Is Kareem the best of all time? I'd disagree with both of them.

 

Jebrim, getting skills to 200m was completely unheard of until someone first got there, which wasn't until late 2005. People didn't set goals to get high experience as they thought you could get an infinite amount of xp. Nobody could ever have anticipated skill xp stopping at 200m. The first time ever maxed out all skills(zez, 2 days before the release of farming), it was unheard of and people didn't think many would ever achieve that.

[Jebrim]

In the past, the hiscores were really low on competition. I recently wrote several long posts on the RSOF explaining the history of the Agility hiscores. I decided to share it with you guys, particularly with this talk of Zezima and RSC hiscores going around. These posts are in reply to someone else, btw.

 

[hide]

Competition sucked. I have the whole history of the Agility hiscores in over 100 screenshots. Let me give you some info.

 

 

Agility came out in December, 2002.

 

Thehate reached 99 Agility on April 19, 2003.

 

Mad Max 87 was the second person to reach 99 Agility, 4 months later.

 

By April 2004, a year after Thehate had reached 99 Agility, only 7 people had 99 Agility! Dakini Sword was rank 1 with 17m Xp.

 

3 months later, there were 8 99's and Dakini Sword was rank 1 with 18.5m Xp. Back then one could maintain rank 1 without ever training for a very long time. This state remains for years.

 

By March 2005, 2 years after Thehate got 99 Agility, Dakini Sword was still rank 1 and with 22m Xp. During this time, she really had no competition. Inuyasha8750 is about to change that, as he gets 99 Agility about now and then trades in 10m Xp's worth in tickets in April to surprise her and take rank 1. In March, though, he is the 16th player to reach 99 Agility(not counting his secret tickets).

 

Over the next few weeks, they battle it out for rank 1 and Dakini loses, giving up on trying to beat Inuyasha while in the upper 20m's. Inu continues to train to 40m Xp and then stops. Dakini stops at 29m Xp. It is July, 2005 now. Rank 3(Chesstiki) is at 20m Xp and doesn't ever train again. Ranks 4 and down are all 15m Xp or less, never doing any serious training. 20 people have 99 Agility at this point, 2.5 years after Agility came out.

 

By February 2006, the hiscores haven't really changed much. In almost a year, Inuyasha has gained only 5m Xp, Dakini less than 2m, Chesstiki none, and ranks 4 down are still at 15m Xp or less. Competition is seriously lacking, as nobody feels the need to do any further training and 200m Xp Agility isn't even conceived of.

 

By March 2006, 3 years after Thehate got 99 Agility, we finally have Lover Romeo appear. He's the first to train past the 15m or less group and passes Chesstiki(who is still at 20m Xp). Lover Romeo sits at rank 3 and 21m Xp til summer.

 

During the summer of 2006, Lover Romeo trains to 27m Xp and stops again. Inuyasha8750, who's been at 47m Xp since April, decides to start training again and enters the 50m's. At this point, Dakini Sword still remains in 2nd at 31m Xp, with Romeo just 4m behind. In August 2006, there are now 3 people with 20m Xp(including the disappear Chesstiki), and the other ranks are 17m and under.

 

In October 2006, the top 3 start training a bit. Inuyasha reaches 55m Xp, Dakini Sword reaches 35m Xp, and Lover Romeo reaches 30m Xp. Rank 4 is Sundance48 at 23m Xp. She later gets banned.

 

During November and December 2006, Lover Romeo begins his real Agility training. At this point, he becomes the first person to actively work towards constantly training Agility, even if he goes back and forth with Mining(which he's already got a ton of Xp in right now). Inuyasha8750 hits 60m Xp and stops, Lover Romeo passes Dakini Sword and enters the 40m's, Dakini Sword only does a little training to 36m, and Sundance48 does the same to 26m Xp.

 

The hiscores remain uneventful rank-wise until March 2007. This is now 4 years since Thehate got 99 Agility. Lover Romeo finally catches up with Inuyasha8750 at 61m Xp and passes him for a short time. Inu, after being rank 1 for 2 years, doesn't like this one bit so he nolifes hard and passes Lover Romeo again. When both reach 70m Xp in April(the biggest Agility nolifing since Inuyasha took #1 from Dakini 2 years ago), they come to some sort of agreement and both stop. Dakini Sword trains to 40m Xp to put some distance from Sundance48, who reaches 30m Xp. Everyone else is 17m-26m Xp. Skwysh is at 23m Xp and Marlinchick at 18m Xp(future ranks 4 and 2, respectively).

 

Summer 2007 sees some changes in ranks. Right before it starts, Sundance48 gets banned. Marlinchick rises to take the rank 4 spot in late June. July sees Inuyasha at 71m Xp, Lover Romeo at 70.5m Xp, Dakini Sword at 43m Xp, and Marlinchick at 36m Xp. Skwysh, at rank 7, reaches 30m Xp.

 

Moving onto August, Inuyasha8750 starts to train but gets banned(for hacking, not botting). This leaves a clear path for Lover Romeo, who after having spent a long time doing Mining(I believe he's 130m Xp at this point, not sure), starts training again himself. Late in the month, he gets to 77m Xp, Dakini Sword hits 44m Xp, Marlinchick hits 41m Xp, and Skwysh takes rank 4 with 34m Xp. Revan Lives(future 200m rank 5) reaches rank 8 at 28m Xp.

 

During October 2007, Lover Romeo hits 100m Xp. Things are finally starting to get intense on the top page. It now requires 20m Xp to get on. Marlinchick passes Dakini Sword and gets 47m Xp. Dakini remains at 44m and Skwysh gets to 40m Xp.

 

A month later, Lover Romeo is 110m Xp, Marlinchick is 61m Xp!(the biggest monthly gain to date), Dakini Sword is 44m still, and Skwysh is 42m.

 

Another month later, we're in December 2007 now, Lover Romeo gets to 121m Xp, Marlinchick to 73m Xp, Skwysh passes Dakini Sword and gets 45m Xp. By now, Dakini's given up on rank and remains at her 44m Xp for a very long time. Revan Lives is at rank 7 with 37m Xp.

 

2007 was the beginning of competition, but 2008 is where nolifing really starts showing. By February 1st, 2008, Lover Romeo is 140m Xp and takes his first break to train Mining again since doubling his Agility Xp from 6 months ago. He does 10m more in Mining to have both skills at 140m Xp and from then on goes back and forth with 10-20m in each. Marlinchick has stopped for a break at 77m-78m Xp as well. Skwysh is at 50m Xp and Revan Lives is now rank 4 with 46m Xp. At this point, I'm barely level 90.

 

I get 99 Agility on April 26, 2008. Lover Romeo is at 150m Xp, Marlinchick at 81m Xp and there for a long break, and Skwysh and Revan Lives are fighting back and forth for rank 3 at about 60m Xp. I get to 20m Xp exactly 2 weeks later, but end up losing my internet connection for a week, so I am forced to slow down. I'm not yet top page. I don't get it until early June at about 26m Xp.

 

Late June 2008 has Lover Romeo still at 150m Xp. Marlinchick is training again due to Skwysh closing in, so she is at 91m Xp. She decides to try to catch up to Lover Romeo and from around now on, does some massive 20m+ months. Lover Romeo is doing 10m Xp months in either Agility or Mining, due to similar Xp/hr rates(50k+). Skwysh is at 80m Xp and was the winner of the fight against Revan. Revan Lives is at 71m Xp. This is exactly 2 months after I got 99 Agility and I'm at rank 12 with 33m Xp, closing the gap rather quickly.

 

Another 2 months later in late August has Lover Romeo at 174m Xp, Marlinchick at 131m Xp, Skwysh at 100m Xp, Revan Lives at 83m Xp, with everyone else between 28m Xp and 62m Xp. I am at rank 7 with 55m Xp.

 

A month after this, late September 2008, Lover Romeo is 185m Xp, Marlinchick is 135m Xp(she gave up on rank 1), Skwysh is 106m Xp, Revan Lives is 90m Xp, and I'm rank 5 at 70m Xp. Dakini Sword is still at 44m Xp, but has only dropped to rank 8. Exactly 1 week later, I hit 77m Xp, setting the #1 week record ever gained at either Ape Atoll or Dorgesh-Kaan. I get a total of 25m Xp that month as well, also beating Marlin's #1 month record of 24m. Both week and month records were never beaten.

 

Jumping ahead again, I pass Revan Lives right before 100m Xp and we have a joint party together on November 8, 2008. This is when I take my first real break from Agility since I got 99 6 months previous. Lover Romeo's best in 6 months was 70m Xp, Marlin managed 50m Xp in 3 months(which is really good btw), but only 70m as her best in 6. I did over 80m Xp in that time.

 

So in early November, Lover Romeo had 190m Xp in both skills. Marlinchick had 145m Agility Xp and Skwysh had 118m Xp. Both Revan and myself were at 100m Xp and remain there for awhile. Two others were around 70m Xp, and the rest of the hiscores were between 30m and Dakini Sword at 44m Xp. Lover Romeo got both 200m's on Valentine's day(Feb 14) in 2009.

 

As you can see, people didn't all start at the same time and the early hiscores were pretty much dead for years. Both Marlinchick and myself were the only ones to ever do more than 20m Xp in a month before the Advanced courses came out in late June 2009. Previously, people used either Ape Atoll or Dorgesh-Kaan, both around the same Xp/hr(50k+), but with Dorgesh-Kaan slightly more. In terms of time from 99 to 200m Xp, I was the fastest person of the 5 people who got 200m with most of their Xp from non-advanced courses. In that way, I actually did win the race. That is even including if you ignored Lover Romeo's time Mining and only counted his Agility.

 

After the courses came out, Revan and I managed to finally convince S U O M I to train Agility and he pulled some pretty steady high months, ultimately enough to put himself as the fastest trainer to 200m, even excluding the fact that he used faster courses and less hours total. I don't deny him credit for that. So within one year of Lover Romeo reaching 200m, there were 6 people at 200m. Before 2008, the hiscores were a joke. After Suomi reached 200m in January 2010, the hiscores died down once again. In 2007, there were only two people training Agility constantly, Lover Romeo and Marlinchick. In 2008, that number rose to 6. As people started getting their 200m's during 2009, that number dwindled. With the 6th 200m, all of the previous constant Agility trainers were gone. Obey The Cow would be the next person to get 200m, but it was done with absolutely no competition and there was for a long time a huge gap from 200m's to the lower ranks.

 

For years, I've been trying to add more competition to the Agility hiscores. In the past year, I've finally succeeded. With the creation of the True Masters of Agility clan and my 1bil goal, it has spawned a lot of interest in high Agility Xp and a lot of people are going for 200m now. The big gaps are now closed and I expect top page to fill up in early 2012 with all 200m's.

 

To sum it up and be able to compare easily, here's data for the Xp for the top 2 players every 1 year from the time Thehate got 99 Agility. These are all dated in the Spring of that year.

 

2003: Thehate - 13m Xp/Max Max 87 - 5.5m Xp

2004: Dakini Sword - 17m Xp/Duece Winsor - 16.5m Xp

2005: Inuyasha8750 - 26m Xp/Dakini Sword - 25m Xp

2006: Inuyasha8750 - 47m Xp/Dakini Sword - 31m Xp

2007: Inuyasha8750 - 71m Xp/Lover Romeo - 70m Xp

2008: Lover Romeo - 146m Xp/Marlinchick - 81m Xp

2009: Lover Romeo - 200m Xp/Marlinchick - 176m Xp

 

Let's examine the Xp increases each year for the top 2 ranks:

 

2003-2004: +9m/+11m

2004-2005: +9m/+9m

2005-2006: +21m/+6m

2006-2007: +24m/+39m

2007-2008: +75m/+11m

2008-2009: +54m/+95m

 

As you can see, the hiscores had a lot more bigger gains as the years went by. It wasn't even due to better courses coming out either. The Wilderness Course came out before Thehate even hit 99 Agility, giving about 35k Xp/hr at the time in RSC. That rate increased a bit with RS2. Ape Atoll came out between 2005 and 2006, bringing rates to over 50k Xp/hr. Dorgesh-Kaan came out in 2007, affecting rates only slightly. Rates haven't changed that much, only doubling since RSC days to what they are today.

 

These days, it's not rare to see over 100m Agility Xp gained in a year. In fact, to get any less is to be considered really slow. The big difference from today and from the past is that there actually is competition today. Back then, people just did not train Agility on a daily basis. They did little bursts of a couple of months at most and then stopped. Even their bursts weren't much in terms of nolifing. Comparing this as a big marathon is just highly inaccurate, particularly with some people having early leads.

 

I'll be posting a video or two of the complete history of the Agility hiscores. It'll consist of well over 100 screenshots of the front page. I'm not sure when I'll get around to doing it, as I want to add icons for changes in ranks and also show display name changes. It'll probably be awhile before it comes.

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Agility wasn't the only hiscores to be this crappy in early years either. Everybody obsesses over Zezima and some other "legends" and even called them nolifers, but the fact of the matter is, the legends really did not nolife all that much, but were rather the only steady trainers the game had at the time. There are only a few RSC "legends" compared to nowadays with a lot of less worshiped players, but a larger quantity. The reason for this is that in the past, there literally was no competition. Zezima was really the only steady and relatively efficient player at the time, so it's no surprise that he would keep #1 in the void of the RSC days. He even did 99 Slayer first with college on the side. That alone tells of the lack of competition, as one nowadays can't expect to reach a new 99 first while losing out on that many hours in a week. Even Zezima was impressed by Inuyasha8750's nolifing, which turns out to not have been that big long-term after all. I had a conversation with him about it a couple years ago.

[gremmy]

So by your logic, nobody is oldschool but those who has been #1? I'd say having played RSC makes you oldschool. I guess it depends on how you define the term "old school", but I think more than the small handful of players who have been #1 are old school.

By that logic, there is a big list of great players who were much better skillers and worked much harder for number one before zez ever got the chance to, and him being first for so long doesn't help either(as he is not only recognized by old-school players, but most of the fame is gathered relatively lately). You not knowing those people doesn't mean they didn't exist, but there are atleast 5 legendary number ones before him, just as there has been many after him. Even if you go by the dominance of a number one, zezima wouldn't be on the top of that list, as l6vi was times better for the time he actually played. Learn the history, zezima isn't it(although his consistency really helped in making him legendary).

 

Alright, let's get things clear: I have never said that I know or don't know a couple legendary players, and I have never said that they do not exist. The term "old school" is defined by something that is classic/retro/something traditional. There will always be someone who thinks old school is before RSC, someone who thinks it's before the trade limit, someone who thinks it's before today - my point being that you can't just throw out that "it's purely about when someone reached number one" like it is the only definition. It's a subjective term, and everyone has their opinions on what is old school and what is not old school.

 

One wouldn't just say that AC/DC isn't oldschool just because Guns N' Roses were number 1 on the hits list, right? :rolleyes:

[pulli23]

Zezima was the number 1 of a complete different runescape than it is now:

 

He was mostly (if not all) a do it yourself - type person. Disliking having to trade with others even. He often said that he would rather spent time skilling than spent his time dabling over money.

 

Current runescape is very unfriendly for DIY type players, so I don't know at all if zezima would even play the current runescape as much as he would play the old runescape of 2005 era.

[langer]

@ Jebrim

 

Very nice contribution to the thread with the history of a rather unpopular skill. I'm very impressed by the fact you have compiled the dates and stats of these various top Agility players. It would be interesting to have other skills detailed that much.

 

@ Xpx

 

I'm more of a number person, so that's why the end result will matter more to me than the mean (aside from botting). It's true than Zezima got outpaced by N0valyfe and Lilyuffie could have claimed rank 1 from him when she had higher XP, but in the end, Zezima did get to the top and kept playing when N0va quit. Fame will always be handed to players that stick around compared to those that quit. It might be true that competition is stiffer these days than a couple years back.

 

@ Soccer/football analogy

 

You guys are weird, the only thing I like about soccer is Beckham's girlfriend, Spice Guys 4 ever!

[zhowzurfer]

i think all this zezima worshipping is giant bs. comparing him to suomi who started later, suomi did something incredible while zezima maxed cooking and theving, suomi destroyed fishing and agility.

 

zezima was imo a player comparable to aasiwat. who say, they dont nolife the game, while the truth is they still play 10-12 hours each single day, i mean you can decide it, since 4-6 leisure isnt considered as having a social life at all. suomi is outdoing zezima not only by hours, also by dedication by purity and by steady goal setting. if suomi would have done the easy skills first, there wouldnt be zezima or gertjaars in top place, and we all know this

 

while i think drumguns slightly odd excuse of efficiency-contradictions is just a major lack of a fully functional brain, suomi has overthought and analysed the situation, he probably has deep connections into the future updates, but now we are here. he maxed mining fishing agility, skills which didnt really improve very much he did them. but he left runecrafting which now seems to be an effigy fest. he left prayer and all the other buyable not only because of his money issue, also because he knew they will update those skills, there will be new and faster ways to train them. zarfot just seemed to specualte on nothing and rose every skill to somewhere, so he could benefit each update.

 

some people might say, suomi isnt merching so he certainly isnt the master of the game. whereas he truly is a mastermind when it comes to the important things. time is passing by and he seems to gather not only a fortune but also ride on the cloud of luck anticipation and connections throughout

[Jebrim]

i think all this zezima worshipping is giant bs. comparing him to suomi who started later, suomi did something incredible while zezima maxed cooking and theving, suomi destroyed fishing and agility.

 

zezima was imo a player comparable to aasiwat. who say, they dont nolife the game, while the truth is they still play 10-12 hours each single day, i mean you can decide it, since 4-6 leisure isnt considered as having a social life at all. suomi is outdoing zezima not only by hours, also by dedication by purity and by steady goal setting. if suomi would have done the easy skills first, there wouldnt be zezima or gertjaars in top place, and we all know this

 

while i think drumguns slightly odd excuse of efficiency-contradictions is just a major lack of a fully functional brain, suomi has overthought and analysed the situation, he probably has deep connections into the future updates, but now we are here. he maxed mining fishing agility, skills which didnt really improve very much he did them. but he left runecrafting which now seems to be an effigy fest. he left prayer and all the other buyable not only because of his money issue, also because he knew they will update those skills, there will be new and faster ways to train them. zarfot just seemed to specualte on nothing and rose every skill to somewhere, so he could benefit each update.

 

some people might say, suomi isnt merching so he certainly isnt the master of the game. whereas he truly is a mastermind when it comes to the important things. time is passing by and he seems to gather not only a fortune but also ride on the cloud of luck anticipation and connections throughout

I agree with this except for the part about suomi having beforehand knowledge on skill updates. He doesn't.

[r0bertp]

i think all this zezima worshipping is giant bs. comparing him to suomi who started later, suomi did something incredible while zezima maxed cooking and theving, suomi destroyed fishing and agility.

 

zezima was imo a player comparable to aasiwat. who say, they dont nolife the game, while the truth is they still play 10-12 hours each single day, i mean you can decide it, since 4-6 leisure isnt considered as having a social life at all. suomi is outdoing zezima not only by hours, also by dedication by purity and by steady goal setting. if suomi would have done the easy skills first, there wouldnt be zezima or gertjaars in top place, and we all know this

 

while i think drumguns slightly odd excuse of efficiency-contradictions is just a major lack of a fully functional brain, suomi has overthought and analysed the situation, he probably has deep connections into the future updates, but now we are here. he maxed mining fishing agility, skills which didnt really improve very much he did them. but he left runecrafting which now seems to be an effigy fest. he left prayer and all the other buyable not only because of his money issue, also because he knew they will update those skills, there will be new and faster ways to train them. zarfot just seemed to specualte on nothing and rose every skill to somewhere, so he could benefit each update.

 

some people might say, suomi isnt merching so he certainly isnt the master of the game. whereas he truly is a mastermind when it comes to the important things. time is passing by and he seems to gather not only a fortune but also ride on the cloud of luck anticipation and connections throughout

 

They are worshipping Zezima, but you are worshipping suomi.

Its al about when you played rs i guess, ppl who are fan of zezima probably all play before 2005 when rs was alot slower.

[Edlenchen]

It's not impossible. But whoever is getting it would have to play alot and keep playing at that rate constantly for years. It would be a question of boredom and repetition in the end, so i don't think anyone will achieve it anytime soon.

[K4ylan]

I agree with this except for the part about suomi having beforehand knowledge on skill updates. He doesn't.

 

I think he meant to say that suomi thought that they were going to update the skills, not that he actually knew it was going to happen.

[The_Bug]

200m in all skills is obviously achievable but I doubt will see anyone make it anytime soon. I wonder what skill Jagex will have coming out next, it could be something that takes as long as Slayer or RC to get 200m which would put a big dent in some of these players.

 

Not to mention that life usually gets in the way of everyone at some point. We've all seen good examples of that over the years RS has been running just by watching who comes and goes on the highscores.

[tuggernongy]

thanks for sharing that with us Jebrim, i have fond memories of spending a few hours every now and then with Revan / Marlin etc at Dorg. :) Bumping into you recently at Barb was nice, too.

 

Raising skills evenly like Zarfot did is the smart thing to do, akin to hedging your bets: you get to benefit from any possible future updates.

 

@whoever was saying suomi has prior knowledge of future updates: untrue, Jagex takes leaks seriously, I'm sure there's a few official forum screenies non-specifically mentioning people being dismissed for such things. Or maybe it was from that video interview when they flew a video makers over there to tour the place and so on. *shrugs* Either way, they've made it clear that they're serious about future updates info being leaked.