Chaotic Rapier vs Longsword

[Logdotzip]

Will lol if Batch two completely changes all the Chaotic's stats and makes CLS best or some [cabbage].

Do you remember the last time jagex changed the stats of an already existing item? umm...yeah... rather the new chaotic weapons will make the cls look even worse since rapier will be the only 6 speed weapon(unless jagex does something semi-crazy like 7 speed chaotic dagger).

they made barrelchest anchor slower

Yes, but even that doesn't fit into my example, and considering they did it just days after the update is a bad example. Changing the stats of chaotic weapons 6-8 months after the release would make for much worse than the climbing boots riots.

 

Had hoped you would have noticrf the blantant sense of sarcasm I was implying when saying that. Ofc they wouldn't change it.

[Mazhar]

41-24

cls-rapier duo ffa bandos

both maxed w/ overloads etc etc

[xpx]

41-24

cls-rapier duo ffa bandos

both maxed w/ overloads etc etc

That is really interesting, but probably quite predictable. If the cls wins 63% of the time(as in this example) the difference in efficiency could be smaller than 5%, but i can't really bother to calculate it. If you aren't constantly up against a cls rapier is still preferable as the small difference at bandos is more than made up at other spots, and the fact that you should get around 80% of the minion kills.

[Capt_Davy]

41-24

cls-rapier duo ffa bandos

both maxed w/ overloads etc etc

That is really interesting, but probably quite predictable. If the cls wins 63% of the time(as in this example) the difference in efficiency could be smaller than 5%, but i can't really bother to calculate it. If you aren't constantly up against a cls rapier is still preferable as the small difference at bandos is more than made up at other spots, and the fact that you should get around 80% of the minion kills.

 

I don't understand, with cls making 63% of the kills, and rapier making 37% of the kills at bandos, that means the cls is considerably more than 5% efficient than rapier there. If the two were equally efficient there, rapier would be getting 50% of the kills. So isnt cls a good bit more than 5% efficient than rapier at bandos?

 

Of course, it would be nice to repeat this a few more times to get a better sample size. Also, average kills/hr and kills/trip for solo bandos would be helpful to get a better picture of rapier vs cls at bandos.

 

EDIT: just realized, I 've done the math wrong, so disregard my calculations (removed them for that reason)

[xpx]

41-24

cls-rapier duo ffa bandos

both maxed w/ overloads etc etc

That is really interesting, but probably quite predictable. If the cls wins 63% of the time(as in this example) the difference in efficiency could be smaller than 5%, but i can't really bother to calculate it. If you aren't constantly up against a cls rapier is still preferable as the small difference at bandos is more than made up at other spots, and the fact that you should get around 80% of the minion kills.

 

I don't understand, with cls making 63% of the kills, and rapier making 37% of the kills at bandos, that means the cls is considerably more than 5% efficient than rapier there. If the two were equally efficient there, rapier would be getting 50% of the kills. Seeing as (in this example) for every 1% more efficient than rapier cls is (at bandos) rapier "loses" 1% efficiency, calculating cls's efficiency relative to rapier would work like this:

(63%-50%)/50%) = 0.26 = long is 26% more efficient than rapier against Graardor.

 

Of course, it would be nice to repeat this a few more times to get a better sample size. Also, average kills/hr and kills/trip for solo bandos would be helpful to get a better picture of rapier vs cls at bandos.

#-o

All i can say is, if you are 26% more efficient, for example getting 126k attack experience against 100k attack experience an hour, you would get more than 95% of the kills...

[Capt_Davy]

41-24

cls-rapier duo ffa bandos

both maxed w/ overloads etc etc

That is really interesting, but probably quite predictable. If the cls wins 63% of the time(as in this example) the difference in efficiency could be smaller than 5%, but i can't really bother to calculate it. If you aren't constantly up against a cls rapier is still preferable as the small difference at bandos is more than made up at other spots, and the fact that you should get around 80% of the minion kills.

 

I don't understand, with cls making 63% of the kills, and rapier making 37% of the kills at bandos, that means the cls is considerably more than 5% efficient than rapier there. If the two were equally efficient there, rapier would be getting 50% of the kills. Seeing as (in this example) for every 1% more efficient than rapier cls is (at bandos) rapier "loses" 1% efficiency, calculating cls's efficiency relative to rapier would work like this:

(63%-50%)/50%) = 0.26 = long is 26% more efficient than rapier against Graardor.

 

Of course, it would be nice to repeat this a few more times to get a better sample size. Also, average kills/hr and kills/trip for solo bandos would be helpful to get a better picture of rapier vs cls at bandos.

#-o

All i can say is, if you are 26% more efficient, for example getting 126k attack experience against 100k attack experience an hour, you would get more than 95% of the kills...

Well I just realized I did the math wrong. Well then, disregard my numbers...But with a difference of 26% in numbers (long taking 1.7 times the kills of rapier) I don't see how the differences in their efficiencies is around only 5%..

 

 

EDIT: looking at it from a different angle, if cls is getting 2 kills every time rapier gets one kill, one could say that cls is twice as efficient as rapier then (+100% more efficient). So using the numbers from this test, (63%/37%)-1 = 70.3%. So cls is 70.3% more efficient then rapier in this example. I would think this is an outlier....unless I've done the math wrong again. :oops:

 

Just wanted to say, I'm still favoring the rapier, but im a little surprised at by how much rapier lost to CLS in this example at Bandos GWD.

[xpx]

Efficiency, if defined as combat xp an hour, makes a big difference if you go with one weapon against another, as getting a kill depends on hitting for 51 or more percent of the damage and it doesn't matter if one gets much more than that, but when comparing the weapons in a test against one another with no competition, matters quite little, as both have to get 100% damage for a kill. So, when factoring in efficiency, 63% of the kills should be around 5-7% more efficient, but when you can only solo around 20 bosses an hour, that's one more boss. Rapier efficiency over cls(or whip) is around 15%, so going 1 vs 1 vs dark beasts(monsters with alot of hp) rapier would get like 80% of the kills. Ofcource, these efficiency calculations completely ignore accuracy, speed and deadly hits, so for slayer 1 vs 1, the efficiency of whip and cls would be around the same, but cls would get more kills, and this also implies for bandos.

[Blutters]

I think it's worth mentioning that the Bandos armor set has higher stab bonus than slash bonus, and that General Graardor is clearly wearing a massive sized version of it. :smile:

The difference is somewhat considerable in the player version.

[JacTise69]

 

Just imagine a world where people only care about efficiency and don't care about looks. What would the world look like?

 

 

China.

 

If the world researched more about efficiency, it would be a kinder more charitable place.

 

On the contrary the world would be a terrible place. As soon as you were too old to be efficient a younger more efficient person would take your place and you my friend would be euthanized. Or to heck with you getting too old, you could just get a terminal disease, the result would be the same.

 

And because none of my post was on topic you have my apologies. I was bored while eating breakfast and like to browse this thread and laugh at all the people still arguing that the CLS is better than the CR. The ONLY reason to buy a CLS is if you are basing your purchase 100% on looks, if you care even 1% about efficiency (which in my experience every rs player does, they just hate admitting that they're way of doing things is inefficient because they're also too full of pride to ever admit they're wrong.) then you should get a CR.

 

Screw the rules I have money.

 

Judging by your stats, long is better for you. Nice hopes and dreams.

 

errhm...what hopes and dreams?

[Capt_Davy]

 

Just imagine a world where people only care about efficiency and don't care about looks. What would the world look like?

 

 

China.

 

If the world researched more about efficiency, it would be a kinder more charitable place.

 

On the contrary the world would be a terrible place. As soon as you were too old to be efficient a younger more efficient person would take your place and you my friend would be euthanized. Or to heck with you getting too old, you could just get a terminal disease, the result would be the same.

 

And because none of my post was on topic you have my apologies. I was bored while eating breakfast and like to browse this thread and laugh at all the people still arguing that the CLS is better than the CR. The ONLY reason to buy a CLS is if you are basing your purchase 100% on looks, if you care even 1% about efficiency (which in my experience every rs player does, they just hate admitting that they're way of doing things is inefficient because they're also too full of pride to ever admit they're wrong.) then you should get a CR.

 

Screw the rules I have money.

 

Judging by your stats, long is better for you. Nice hopes and dreams.

 

errhm...what hopes and dreams?

 

JacTise69's hopes and dreams of everyone getting a CR, while he goes and gets CLS? I'm not sure....

[Grimy_Bunyip]

On the contrary the world would be a terrible place. As soon as you were too old to be efficient a younger more efficient person would take your place and you my friend would be euthanized. Or to heck with you getting too old, you could just get a terminal disease, the result would be the same.

Quit thinking of efficiency in terms of black and white.

I mean, "in theory" euthanizing old people would be efficient.

In the same way that communism is efficient, *in theory*.

 

sure, it would be efficient for the economy as a whole to kill all the old people, assuming you could kill them with 0 effort.

but the old people would, obviously, resist.

and presumably, the time and resources required to accurately figure out who is too old to be efficient, and to actually kill them, would just be absurd.

 

Ultimately having a community that is just full of kind, smart people is the best solution, in the same way that capitalism is the most efficient form of economy.

One's stable and easy to maintain, the other isnt.

[iRed]

 

Just imagine a world where people only care about efficiency and don't care about looks. What would the world look like?

 

 

China.

 

If the world researched more about efficiency, it would be a kinder more charitable place.

 

On the contrary the world would be a terrible place. As soon as you were too old to be efficient a younger more efficient person would take your place and you my friend would be euthanized. Or to heck with you getting too old, you could just get a terminal disease, the result would be the same.

 

And because none of my post was on topic you have my apologies. I was bored while eating breakfast and like to browse this thread and laugh at all the people still arguing that the CLS is better than the CR. The ONLY reason to buy a CLS is if you are basing your purchase 100% on looks, if you care even 1% about efficiency (which in my experience every rs player does, they just hate admitting that they're way of doing things is inefficient because they're also too full of pride to ever admit they're wrong.) then you should get a CR.

 

Screw the rules I have money.

 

Judging by your stats, long is better for you. Nice hopes and dreams.

 

errhm...what hopes and dreams?

 

You go ahead and get yourself a CR, you'll regret it with stats like that. Have fun hitting zeros.

[TheAncient]

I just got a maul and have been playing with it.

 

It's actually not very accurate against anything with defense - even TD's. Granted, I haven't tried it in dangerous PvP but in safe PvP it never got the KO's I needed when I switched to it.

 

Against TD's, it misses like 20% of the time. Maybe because TD's have a really high crush defense - I don't know. But it's just not as accurate as I hoped.

 

Also, I have yet to hit above 700 :ohnoes:'

 

I'm thinking of getting a CLS :shock:

[Obtaurian]

You go ahead and get yourself a CR, you'll regret it with stats like that. Have fun hitting zeros.

 

If rapier > whip, and whip is pretty accurate with semi-decent stats . . .

 

:wall:

[iRed]

You go ahead and get yourself a CR, you'll regret it with stats like that. Have fun hitting zeros.

 

If rapier > whip, and whip is pretty accurate with semi-decent stats . . .

 

:wall:

 

Yeah and whip isn't the best thing for various bosses.

[Obtaurian]

You go ahead and get yourself a CR, you'll regret it with stats like that. Have fun hitting zeros.

 

If rapier > whip, and whip is pretty accurate with semi-decent stats . . .

 

:wall:

 

Yeah and whip isn't the best thing for various bosses.

 

Not anymore, no. CR took it's place (with the exception of solo sara and maybe solo bandos, but who does solo sara?).

[TheAncient]

I just got a maul and have been playing with it.

 

It's actually not very accurate against anything with defense - even TD's. Granted, I haven't tried it in dangerous PvP but in safe PvP it never got the KO's I needed when I switched to it.

 

Against TD's, it misses like 20% of the time. Maybe because TD's have a really high crush defense - I don't know. But it's just not as accurate as I hoped.

 

Also, I have yet to hit above 700 :ohnoes:'

 

I'm thinking of getting a CLS :shock:

 

Jay Kay nevermind. Just got unlucky those first hits... Barrage til Karil's up, Blitz, and Maul/2Claws is crazy

[ghjkl]

I just got a maul and have been playing with it.

 

It's actually not very accurate against anything with defense - even TD's. Granted, I haven't tried it in dangerous PvP but in safe PvP it never got the KO's I needed when I switched to it.

 

Against TD's, it misses like 20% of the time. Maybe because TD's have a really high crush defense - I don't know. But it's just not as accurate as I hoped.

 

Also, I have yet to hit above 700 :ohnoes:'

 

I'm thinking of getting a CLS :shock:

 

Jay Kay nevermind. Just got unlucky those first hits... Barrage til Karil's up, Blitz, and Maul/2Claws is crazy

Risking claws :o

I'm like 130k tokens til maul, think I'm gonna get it instead of waiting for b2.

[stonewall337]

Help me convince my friend that CLS is WAY WORSE then rapier, especially since he like never does bandos, and does DKS.

 

BTW Ryan, I know you are reading this.

[DyingSilent]

 

CLS :thumbup:

 

So, who likes my one-handed godsword?

[ghjkl]

No one since rapier is better.

[DyingSilent]

The rapier is too similar to a whip, imo. Also, the maul is too similar to godswords...Cls is somewhat the middle ground between the two, and has no suitable alternative (Vls is quite similar, yet highly inefficient for the cost). That's my reasoning for buying a Cls, and i'm happy with it thus far.

[Bladewing]

The rapier is too similar to a whip, imo. Also, the maul is too similar to godswords...Cls is somewhat the middle ground between the two, and has no suitable alternative (Vls is quite similar, yet highly inefficient for the cost). That's my reasoning for buying a Cls, and i'm happy with it thus far.

Yet everyone knows that a whip was the best weapon prior to chaotic weapons. What's wrong with being similar to the best weapon?

 

--

 

Also

 

"CLS is best"

"No it's not"

"Well I'm happy with it"

 

is not a strong argument.

[Who]

Help me convince my friend that CLS is WAY WORSE then rapier, especially since he like never does bandos, and does DKS.

 

BTW Ryan, I know you are reading this.

Don't bother Stone, he has to learn the hard way.

[DyingSilent]

The rapier is too similar to a whip, imo. Also, the maul is too similar to godswords...Cls is somewhat the middle ground between the two, and has no suitable alternative (Vls is quite similar, yet highly inefficient for the cost). That's my reasoning for buying a Cls, and i'm happy with it thus far.

Yet everyone knows that a whip was the best weapon prior to chaotic weapons. What's wrong with being similar to the best weapon?

 

--

 

Also

 

"CLS is best"

"No it's not"

"Well I'm happy with it"

 

is not a strong argument.

 

I never stated I thought Cls was the best. I just explained my reasoning for purchasing one, and how I feel it's the middle ground between the other two chaotic weapons. Also, I am not denying that the whip was the best weapon, but if it's so similar, why wouldn't you just continue to use a whip, rather than spend 200k tokens on a weapon that you already have similar alternatives for?