Chaotic Rapier vs Longsword

[badpaultje]

Cls isn't "the one in the middle" because it only suceeds rapier in one place; Bandos with divine. If you like high hits, you should've gotten a maul ;)

 

 

maul is to slow for me

rapier ihas to weak str bonus for me

so i chooce cls

the middel one ;-)

[Bladewing]

I wanne play the game like i want not like evryone say. Why would people use gs istead of whip with slayer because whip>gs

It just fun to see you get high hits.

And these weapons are close to each other so it's more what game stylme u prefer.

I prefer something in the middel so i chose cls.

I think some of you guys forget it it just a game, so it's not a life changing decision :wink:

Just choose wath u think u would like not what anyone else like

some people actually like having the weapon that performs better. so they can come read this thread and find out which performs best at whatever they do most. please stop telling people to make uninformed decisions just because you find it more fun (?)

[badpaultje]

I wanne play the game like i want not like evryone say. Why would people use gs istead of whip with slayer because whip>gs

It just fun to see you get high hits.

And these weapons are close to each other so it's more what game stylme u prefer.

I prefer something in the middel so i chose cls.

I think some of you guys forget it it just a game, so it's not a life changing decision :wink:

Just choose wath u think u would like not what anyone else like

some people actually like having the weapon that performs better. so they can come read this thread and find out which performs best at whatever they do most. please stop telling people to make uninformed decisions just because you find it more fun (?)

 

Then u should stop telling what they have to choose :wink:

[Matt_Marche]

This thread doesn't tell people what to choose, it tells people what's better

[Boeg3]

I wanne play the game like i want not like evryone say. Why would people use gs istead of whip with slayer because whip>gs

It just fun to see you get high hits.

And these weapons are close to each other so it's more what game stylme u prefer.

I prefer something in the middel so i chose cls.

I think some of you guys forget it it just a game, so it's not a life changing decision :wink:

Just choose wath u think u would like not what anyone else like

 

If you enjoy high hits, but dont care which is the better of the 2...

GET OFF THIS TOPIC!

 

this is a discusion about which of these 2 weapons is the best... BEST.

There is such thing as a fun-factor, but its not an argument, as for which is best.

[Assume Nothing]

Why are people so stupid? Even the arguments for CLS are usually stupid. I'll just have to repeat what I've said pages back.

 

"I get CLS instead of Rapier because it's stronger"

 

The rapier is 4 game ticks per hit, and the longsword is 5. The average hit of CLS must be 25% higher than the rapier to even match the same DPS. That difference is even harder to get when you are wearing armours that increase your bonuses, because it makes the bonus differences much less significant.

 

If you get a CLS for the high hits, why not get the Chaotic Maul? Assuming the argument for CLS vs CR is "It hits higher", so does maul. Why don't people choose maul? The most common quote I've personally heard is, "It's slower". That contradicts the argument that CLS is not slow.

 

People are just stupid these days. The only logical argument I see is monsters with a exclusive weakness to Slash, something that requires a 5 tick weapon, or something that is best fought with Divine. The only two situations I could see for that is Td's and Bandos. Even then, it's still arguable.

 

Sigh

[stonewall337]

Why are people so stupid? Even the arguments for CLS are usually stupid. I'll just have to repeat what I've said pages back.

 

"I get CLS instead of Rapier because it's stronger"

 

The rapier is 4 game ticks per hit, and the longsword is 5. The average hit of CLS must be 25% higher than the rapier to even match the same DPS. That difference is even harder to get when you are wearing armours that increase your bonuses, because it make the bonus differences much less significant.

 

If you get a CLS for the high hits, why not get the Chaotic Maul? Assuming the argument for CLS vs CR is "It hits higher", so does maul. Why don't people choose maul? The most common quote I've personally heard is, "It's slower". That contradicts the argument that CLS is not slow.

 

People are just stupid these days. The only logical argument I see is monsters with a exclusive weakness to Slash, something that requires a 5 tick weapon, or something that is best fought with Divine. The only two situations I could see for that is Td's and Bandos. Even then, it's still arguable.

 

Sigh

 

 

Arguing with idiots is a lesson in futility. Some people just can't be convinced. Fun is irrelevant on this thread, as we are only talking about provable, statistical, empirical data. Fun is important, but this thread isn't designed to answer questions about fun.

[Nomansyed9]

Rapier. No questions.

[All_Is_Great]

Who needs rapier and Cls when you can get a maul :thumbsup:

[Bladewing]

maul doesn't work with divine

[ghjkl]

Ye it does. Too bad if you use maul with div you can't use maul with soul split, so rather use soul split than div.

[Bladewing]

"gear flashing" i guess, but c'mon we're talking realistic uses :P

[green9090]

Yeah, it's not like anyone would ever use gear flashing to accomplish an otherwise impossible solo...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL875aiJ594

 

Oh wait...

[Bladewing]

Yeah, it's not like anyone would ever use gear flashing to accomplish an otherwise impossible solo...

 

Oh wait...

>implying solo corp is an effective method

 

reread what i said - i didn't say it was useless, i said it's not realistic

[green9090]

I don't see how it's any less realistic than soul split flashing. It's already been proven to be effective, now we just need a monster where the maul is better enough that it's worth doing. If the maul was significantly better at, say, Bandos, we'd probably already see pros divine flashing there, but since CLS and rapier are both damn good it's not worth the effort.

 

I'm just saying that it's not fair to rule gear flashing out of the maul's advantages, because it IS possible. There are other reasons for the maul being inferior for most things.

[Quyneax]

Maul-dfs flashing on wyverns? Other than that, zspear/divine flashing is really the only thing you would do. Or maul/divine flashing on kq. Overall, it isn't so much that it wouldn't be done, it's just that it would take a lot of effort. Most (if not all) people would rather trio corp and have to click a lot less. And although efficiency doesn't usually take fun into account, it can take RSI into account.

[green9090]

Maul-dfs flashing on wyverns? Other than that, zspear/divine flashing is really the only thing you would do. Or maul/divine flashing on kq. Overall, it isn't so much that it wouldn't be done, it's just that it would take a lot of effort. Most (if not all) people would rather trio corp and have to click a lot less. And although efficiency doesn't usually take fun into account, it can take RSI into account.

That's exactly it, though- the problem is that there aren't enough monsters maul is the best against, and they're all niche monsters. THAT'S why it's not the best- if there was a big bad crush weak monster, divine flashing with a maul would likely be the way to go. But as things are, everything is weak enough that rapier/CLS + divine and SS flashing is still better than maul + SS flashing and then divine flashing at high hp except for dumb monsters like the KQ that nobody wants to kill anyway.

[Quyneax]

Well, you can call it a problem... I wouldn't mind having a major crush-weak monster, but even if corp was weak to crush I very much doubt any significant group of players would divine flash (even if everybody had divine).

 

Edit: Look at people ranging frosts... it cuts ss flashing out. People are just lazy in that sense.

[green9090]

I disagree, but of course nobody at this point can prove one way or another.

 

I can tell you, though, that I would definitely be divine flashing if I had a divine and a place where it'd be useful. I love mastering little tricks like that.

[ghjkl]

Soul split flashing at bandos works wonders with maul since its the same attack speed.

[SirIzenhime]

Soul split flashing at bandos works wonders with maul since its the same attack speed.

 

You can flash with the rapier at bandos though if you have the right interval going.

[All_Is_Great]

I got the Maul for PvP, safe and dangerous, mostly safe, but ok. Maul is best for Pvp no? Maybe except with profound castle wars armour, but by the time I get that, I'll probable have a CLS already.

[green9090]

I got the Maul for PvP, safe and dangerous, mostly safe, but ok. Maul is best for Pvp no? Maybe except with profound castle wars armour, but by the time I get that, I'll probable have a CLS already.

It's arguable. Maul has the most KO power, but people tend to safe against it and it is extremely vulnerable to vengeance.

 

Rapier is great in dangerous PvP because people generally don't safe too much against it, but then it can combo like crazy. You can only eat one food between hits, so if someone is at 700 hp and you hit a 550, they eat a rocktail, and you hit a 380, they're out. And that's discounting vengeance adding to the KO.

[DyingSilent]

I got the Maul for PvP, safe and dangerous, mostly safe, but ok. Maul is best for Pvp no? Maybe except with profound castle wars armour, but by the time I get that, I'll probable have a CLS already.

It's arguable. Maul has the most KO power, but people tend to safe against it and it is extremely vulnerable to vengeance.

 

Rapier is great in dangerous PvP because people generally don't safe too much against it, but then it can combo like crazy. You can only eat one food between hits, so if someone is at 700 hp and you hit a 550, they eat a rocktail, and you hit a 380, they're out. And that's discounting vengeance adding to the KO.

I've never seen a rapier hit 550 in PvP/BH ;)

[Blutters]

How about Barrows? I personally own and have used both the CR and CM there and it "feels" like the CLS's designation as "middle ground" between the two would be perfect there.

For reference I can do sub-5 minute openings using either the CR or CM but it feels rather like 0s with the CM slow me down more... Really counter intuitive in any case.

Also if it's important for some reason half the Barrows brothers have the same attack speed as CLS...