An Elitist's View on Crashing

[Troacctid]

Stealing is still bad in RS

You're joking, right? You do realize stealing has its own skill?

[A_Fiasco]

Honestly, I don't think levels and gear justify being selfish, or snobby. There shouldn't be an aristocracy in RS but more and more with better 'endgame' gear coming onto the scene and hyper popular YT players with 50k+ subs roaming around too, I can sympathise the idea of bigger, better and more efficient but to lesser someone else's enjoyment for your own sake is too far in my view of the game :shades:

[stonewall337]

Honestly, I don't think levels and gear justify being selfish, or snobby. There shouldn't be an aristocracy in RS but more and more with better 'endgame' gear coming onto the scene and hyper popular YT players with 50k+ subs roaming around too, I can sympathise the idea of bigger, better and more efficient but to lesser someone else's enjoyment for your own sake is too far in my view of the game :shades:

You also have 11m total xp, and obviously havn't MH'ed, so I don't think you can quite render an opinion on this.

[Soupy17]

Honestly, I don't think levels and gear justify being selfish, or snobby. There shouldn't be an aristocracy in RS but more and more with better 'endgame' gear coming onto the scene and hyper popular YT players with 50k+ subs roaming around too, I can sympathise the idea of bigger, better and more efficient but to lesser someone else's enjoyment for your own sake is too far in my view of the game :shades:

You also have 11m total xp, and obviously havn't MH'ed, so I don't think you can quite render an opinion on this.

Oh right because you know for sure that that is his only account

[Cassynder]

Because it's easier to avoid punishment, either legal or social.

The delusion of morality is a coping mechanism by which individuals rationalize their fear of punishment/retribution in order to increase their self esteem. There is no such thing as morality.

 

That being said I for the most part follow all laws. One needs only be rational, not "moral", to decide to obey them.

 

Aren't you original, sticking it to the man like that!? Fight the power, bro!

[Obtaurian]

Because it's easier to avoid punishment, either legal or social.

The delusion of morality is a coping mechanism by which individuals rationalize their fear of punishment/retribution in order to increase their self esteem. There is no such thing as morality.

 

That being said I for the most part follow all laws. One needs only be rational, not "moral", to decide to obey them.

 

Aren't you original, sticking it to the man like that!? Fight the power, bro!

 

It's called philosophy, not anti-conformism. :rolleyes:

[stonewall337]

Honestly, I don't think levels and gear justify being selfish, or snobby. There shouldn't be an aristocracy in RS but more and more with better 'endgame' gear coming onto the scene and hyper popular YT players with 50k+ subs roaming around too, I can sympathise the idea of bigger, better and more efficient but to lesser someone else's enjoyment for your own sake is too far in my view of the game :shades:

You also have 11m total xp, and obviously havn't MH'ed, so I don't think you can quite render an opinion on this.

Oh right because you know for sure that that is his only account

 

Can I be dogmatic? No. Can I be 95% Sure, yes. Judging by small things which lead me to believe he is a new 'scaper, (TIF join date, skills trained, his response, etc) I can be fairly sure it is. As such, I don't think he is qualified to render an opinion, as at least some MH experience is needed to know what you are talking about on this thread.

[TheAncient]

Stealing is still bad in RS

You're joking, right? You do realize stealing has its own skill?

 

The "thieving" skill and scamming are totally separate...

 

"Thieving" is only nominally related to stealing, it really has nothing to do with stealing because you're stealing from NPC's, not people.

[Shinobu_Sensui]

What's wrong with crashing? Crashing is part of playing RS. Deal with it.

 

Ethics and morals don't exist on the internets, 100% undeniable fact.

 

 

Most people can do deal with it, But some people take the internet to seriously some times.

[SirIzenhime]

besides hearing them whine, what consequences are there to crashing someone?

 

Them calling their other friends to try and crash you back, then whine as well.

[Bladewing]

besides hearing them whine, what consequences are there to crashing someone?

Getting lured/messed up lures at DKS and TDS.

[Shinobu_Sensui]

So how do elitists feel if they get crashed by someone 10 levels lower then them its very unlikly but they could have a ton of luck by there side.

[Shinobu_Sensui]

besides hearing them whine, what consequences are there to crashing someone?

 

Them calling their other friends to try and crash you back, then whine as well.

 

besides hearing them whine, what consequences are there to crashing someone?

Getting lured/messed up lures at DKS and TDS.

 

So its not worth it to crash because they can retaliate against you

 

 

 

No unless you play with public chat off.

[Sly_Wizard]

Some of the people in this thread remind me of the guy in Make Love, Not Warcraft who kills people solely because he can.

[A_Fiasco]

Honestly, I don't think levels and gear justify being selfish, or snobby. There shouldn't be an aristocracy in RS but more and more with better 'endgame' gear coming onto the scene and hyper popular YT players with 50k+ subs roaming around too, I can sympathise the idea of bigger, better and more efficient but to lesser someone else's enjoyment for your own sake is too far in my view of the game :shades:

You also have 11m total xp, and obviously havn't MH'ed, so I don't think you can quite render an opinion on this.

Oh right because you know for sure that that is his only account

 

Can I be dogmatic? No. Can I be 95% Sure, yes. Judging by small things which lead me to believe he is a new 'scaper, (TIF join date, skills trained, his response, etc) I can be fairly sure it is. As such, I don't think he is qualified to render an opinion, as at least some MH experience is needed to know what you are talking about on this thread.

 

I'd say the opposite, yes I am a casual player of the game, I have no 99s and sorry to the guy who tried to defend me but this is my 'main'. But firstly there is no need to have experienced these higher level instances of Runescape to know what you are talking about is a style of play which personally I disagree with. The fact does remain that crashing is un-sporting and in my opinion selfish, whether you tag it as elitist or not, the reality is, you will be cutting someone's enjoyment for the sake of you own ambition or dare I say.. greed? Finally by disregarding me as a low levelled nobody surely you prove the point of an aristocracy?

[elucin8er]

^Agree with Gibble not only because you make a valid point but because the signature hypnotised me.

[Demoli]

Honestly, I don't think levels and gear justify being selfish, or snobby. There shouldn't be an aristocracy in RS but more and more with better 'endgame' gear coming onto the scene and hyper popular YT players with 50k+ subs roaming around too, I can sympathise the idea of bigger, better and more efficient but to lesser someone else's enjoyment for your own sake is too far in my view of the game :shades:

You also have 11m total xp, and obviously havn't MH'ed, so I don't think you can quite render an opinion on this.

Oh right because you know for sure that that is his only account

 

Can I be dogmatic? No. Can I be 95% Sure, yes. Judging by small things which lead me to believe he is a new 'scaper, (TIF join date, skills trained, his response, etc) I can be fairly sure it is. As such, I don't think he is qualified to render an opinion, as at least some MH experience is needed to know what you are talking about on this thread.

 

I'd say the opposite, yes I am a casual player of the game, I have no 99s and sorry to the guy who tried to defend me but this is my 'main'. But firstly there is no need to have experienced these higher level instances of Runescape to know what you are talking about is a style of play which personally I disagree with. The fact does remain that crashing is un-sporting and in my opinion selfish, whether you tag it as elitist or not, the reality is, you will be cutting someone's enjoyment for the sake of you own ambition or dare I say.. greed? Finally by disregarding me as a low levelled nobody surely you prove the point of an aristocracy?

 

1. Welcome to TIF

2. You sir just won the thread

[xpx]

Honestly, I don't think levels and gear justify being selfish, or snobby. There shouldn't be an aristocracy in RS but more and more with better 'endgame' gear coming onto the scene and hyper popular YT players with 50k+ subs roaming around too, I can sympathise the idea of bigger, better and more efficient but to lesser someone else's enjoyment for your own sake is too far in my view of the game :shades:

You also have 11m total xp, and obviously havn't MH'ed, so I don't think you can quite render an opinion on this.

Oh right because you know for sure that that is his only account

 

Can I be dogmatic? No. Can I be 95% Sure, yes. Judging by small things which lead me to believe he is a new 'scaper, (TIF join date, skills trained, his response, etc) I can be fairly sure it is. As such, I don't think he is qualified to render an opinion, as at least some MH experience is needed to know what you are talking about on this thread.

 

I'd say the opposite, yes I am a casual player of the game, I have no 99s and sorry to the guy who tried to defend me but this is my 'main'. But firstly there is no need to have experienced these higher level instances of Runescape to know what you are talking about is a style of play which personally I disagree with. The fact does remain that crashing is un-sporting and in my opinion selfish, whether you tag it as elitist or not, the reality is, you will be cutting someone's enjoyment for the sake of you own ambition or dare I say.. greed? Finally by disregarding me as a low levelled nobody surely you prove the point of an aristocracy?

I think it's quite important, in an objective view about the thread, for the people that post to know about the problem in their own experience, otherwise everything they can or should say can't really be taken too seriously. Apart from that, crashing has nothing to do with greed, and everything to do about making your life easier, and if it screws someone else over but is actually beneficial to you, why not? If two people are competing for something, it's ridiculous to think that because you got something first, you are automatically the winner. NO. Competition is what drives most people to greatness, and if you don't get crashed by someone who has worked their ass off, you wouldn't have the drive to work on getting better yourself. This has nothing to do with aristocracy, and everything to do with the fact that doing things in the best way possible is what matters in the game, and if it means doing something unpleasant to someone you likely will never see or hear about again, it's not a problem.

 

Also, just to be clear- i hate crashing. Most of what i do is slayer and i never really get crashed in multy combat as there is no reason anyone should, but at the same time, it's very rare for me to take someone elses training spot as it would likely slow me down. Dagannoths in lighthouse is the usual exception, as most of the people who train there are newbs and there are never any empty servers anyway, or when i only see someone level 100 at an otherwise empty multy spot(as they don't need the spawns anyway). I also frequently change servers in nonmulty spots to find empty servers, but i'm constantly being ''crashed'' by those same newbs that would get crashed at DK/TD/bandos because they will not change servers if their life depended on it. It's not really rare to get 3 people at a training spot meant for 1,5 people, and thus, even though i don't crash people, i'm happy if they get treated in the same way when the people can compete. I think crashing in nonmulty is much worse, as you are not only screwing yourself over, but also the other people.

[TheAncient]

I'd say the opposite, yes I am a casual player of the game, I have no 99s and sorry to the guy who tried to defend me but this is my 'main'. But firstly there is no need to have experienced these higher level instances of Runescape to know what you are talking about is a style of play which personally I disagree with. The fact does remain that crashing is un-sporting and in my opinion selfish, whether you tag it as elitist or not, the reality is, you will be cutting someone's enjoyment for the sake of you own ambition or dare I say.. greed? Finally by disregarding me as a low levelled nobody surely you prove the point of an aristocracy?

 

I would say you framed this response really well. But at the end of the day you've basically repeated what a bunch of other people have in this thread, which is that crashing is selfish.

 

My response, which I've stated before, is: So what? It happens all the time in the real world, get used to it. Politeness is not a virtue when it comes to making money.

 

Call me what you want - evil, or whatever. I'll probably just call you naive. And then that's meaningless because we're just exchanging opinions.

[A_Fiasco]

I'd say the opposite, yes I am a casual player of the game, I have no 99s and sorry to the guy who tried to defend me but this is my 'main'. But firstly there is no need to have experienced these higher level instances of Runescape to know what you are talking about is a style of play which personally I disagree with. The fact does remain that crashing is un-sporting and in my opinion selfish, whether you tag it as elitist or not, the reality is, you will be cutting someone's enjoyment for the sake of you own ambition or dare I say.. greed? Finally by disregarding me as a low levelled nobody surely you prove the point of an aristocracy?

 

I would say you framed this response really well. But at the end of the day you've basically repeated what a bunch of other people have in this thread, which is that crashing is selfish.

 

My response, which I've stated before, is: So what? It happens all the time in the real world, get used to it. Politeness is not a virtue when it comes to making money.

 

Call me what you want - evil, or whatever. I'll probably just call you naive. And then that's meaningless because we're just exchanging opinions.

 

I realise that, and I accept your view point, sadly I only sifted through the first few pages of the thread and felt that the statement of having to be a member of the elite to discuss how crashing is good or not, well is counter-productive. But I will leave it at that :-)

[muggiwhplar]

Nice to see people can still debate maturely on this forum nowadays...

[MstrMonopoly]

Honestly, this is Jamflax's fault for not introducing more boss monsters.

[Quyneax]

Honestly, this is Jamflax's fault for not introducing more boss monsters.

Or instanced bosses, sure. Or unique, untradeable drops of which you don't need dozens (like rune defenders but without the semi-decent xp).

[Hamtaro]

My (maxed except summ/prayer/herb) friend and I crashed a guy once. We were about to hop, but you know, he had to make his little remarks. So he stayed for another 20 minutes or so helping us get quicker kills (and taking 1/3 of the damage :grin: ).

 

IMO, crashing should only be a last resort (at least make an attempt to hop once or twice...) or retaliation against a jerk. To all of you "efficiency players"who need max xp or gp/hr, please do the game a favor and log off. For good. It's not going to kill you to lose 3 minutes to check other worlds.

 

[spoiler=How I picture "efficiency" players:]

 

[TheAncient]

Honestly, this is Jamflax's fault for not introducing more boss monsters.

Or instanced bosses, sure. Or unique, untradeable drops of which you don't need dozens (like rune defenders but without the semi-decent xp).

 

I strongly agree with this. Good gear should be rare, untradable drops from a hard monster. Makes it a lot harder to get.