Dungeonsweepers (DGS) - Huge changes; read first post.

[PureIsMwa]

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AobwNC4SAkDGdHoydlJnWjNnbjBOZUhLcTBWYWVuNFE&hl=en#gid=0

 

have 20 fl's recorded ( my lazy self )

pure, you must name the bosses with a certain, exact spelling

otherwise the spreadsheet won't recognize the boss.

you can find the spellings on the nomenclature page

 

Uhh.. where's that at

[Grimy_Bunyip]

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AobwNC4SAkDGdHoydlJnWjNnbjBOZUhLcTBWYWVuNFE&hl=en#gid=0

 

have 20 fl's recorded ( my lazy self )

pure, you must name the bosses with a certain, exact spelling

otherwise the spreadsheet won't recognize the boss.

you can find the spellings on the nomenclature page

 

Uhh.. where's that at

There is a tab named "nomenclature" top or bottom of your log depending on what Gmail account you're logged into.

[dukky]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjI1f23xNzE

Had hex for like 20m xp and this is the first time I've had to fully solo it. Before people rage about number1boss's worldbearer he was just trolling with it and it actually helped with him tanking for me. (Though the blues would have been better used making a deathslinger pouch)

Edit: The youtube embed thing doesn't seem to be working so:

Edited May 19, 2011 by dukky
Fixed video, use media tags ;).

[Obtaurian]

A few things you should do differently:

 

1. You can avoid the binds/curses by moving two tiles away. You don't need to tank them.

2. Use leech defense and ranged.

3. GGSing out will get you killed sometimes, as the GGS tele doesn't negate all damage like your personal gate does.

 

I'm surprised that's your first time. Do you just never get Necrolord or maybe another hex tends to do it instead?

[Zaaps1]

When you don't have a Hex on the team, you attract Necro bosses. When you have a Hex on the team, you repel them.

[Obtaurian]

When you don't have a Hex on the team, you attract Necro bosses. When you have a Hex on the team, you repel them.

 

The fundamental law of occult floors.

[Michael]

Or you do 45-47 twice and get necro a couple times an no thunderous??

[SirIzenhime]

A few things you should do differently:

 

2. Use leech defense and ranged.

 

 

 

He did...? :unsure:

[Obtaurian]

A few things you should do differently:

 

2. Use leech defense and ranged.

 

 

 

He did...? :unsure:

 

Did he? I could've sworn he didn't. I'll watch again. EDIT: Ah, he did in later rounds. Also, I just saw that he had 10 arrows left near the end. Overusing his hex or not picking up arrows? Hm. Also, he should be shooting arrows immediately upon entering the room. He took the time to run to his spot before he started firing, and the binds kept delaying his attack turns.

[SirIzenhime]

A few things you should do differently:

 

2. Use leech defense and ranged.

 

 

 

He did...? :unsure:

 

Did he? I could've sworn he didn't. I'll watch again. EDIT: Ah, he did in later rounds. Also, I just saw that he had 10 arrows left near the end. Overusing his hex or not picking up arrows? Hm. Also, he should be shooting arrows immediately upon entering the room. He took the time to run to his spot before he started firing, and the binds kept delaying his attack turns.

 

I don't know how many arrows is overusing, but he started with about 75 for the boss fight.

 

Agree on the entering room and shooting though.

[Blutters]

Can someone explain the platebeard thing to me, or did I have to be in some particular dungeon to get the joke? :P

Guessing that it has to do with the fact that Primal Platebodies look like giant faces, lol.

 

Odd question, but then I guess I have a lot of them lately.

My friend refuses to use Promethium, but is only 70ish DG.

What's the best Primal weapon he can use that's available to him?

[Obtaurian]

Can someone explain the platebeard thing to me, or did I have to be in some particular dungeon to get the joke? :P

Guessing that it has to do with the fact that Primal Platebodies look like giant faces, lol.

 

Odd question, but then I guess I have a lot of them lately.

My friend refuses to use Promethium, but is only 70ish DG.

What's the best Primal weapon he can use that's available to him?

 

Platebeard has two meanings:

1. Players who have plates as their third binds are Platebeards.

2. The man, the myth, the legend . . . Platebeard, terror of Daemonheim!

 

Your friend has access to a primal rapier, dagger, maul, and warhammer. However, it's extremely selfish of your friend to purposely choose a bad weapon for aesthetic reasons, unless he solos. Of those options, his best bet is a maul, but a prom 2h far outstrips it. He'll be useless against most monsters and bosses.

[Blutters]

Not entirely his fault, I should think. He understood the importance of a hood AND he found one at the perfect opportunity (around lvl 50) without even being told. However, during that floor, his friend (also hoodless :rolleyes: ) took it from right in front of him and alched it...

It was only through quite a bit of encouragement that he got that far. A lot of people would just ragequit... :mellow: I'm not pushing him right now lol.

If it's any consolation, he told me just now he was planning on binding both maul and rapier. That should be decently effective, I think?

[Obtaurian]

Not entirely his fault, I should think. He understood the importance of a hood AND he found one at the perfect opportunity (around lvl 50) without even being told. However, during that floor, his friend (also hoodless :rolleyes: ) took it from right in front of him and alched it...

It was only through quite a bit of encouragement that he got that far. A lot of people would just ragequit... :mellow: I'm not pushing him right now lol.

If it's any consolation, he told me just now he was planning on binding both maul and rapier. That should be decently effective, I think?

 

No, you need a high-accuracy slash weapon. Like I said, if he binds sub-par weapons knowing they're sub-par, he's just selfish. He's hurting the team. If he really wanted two weapons (which I don't advise for hoodless players), he could bind a prom 2h and primal rapier and just suicide to his heart's content.

[Blutters]

Yeah, I know. But it's still situation meets disposition... #-o

[Tipsi]

Hey doesnt magic (on its own) have the best coverage over all.

 

I'm thinking: is it crazy for someone whos 100 dungeoneering to have CCS, surgebox, and that t11 magic top and hood.

If you designate mager on the best things to mage in order in each gd and meleers on best things to melee... wouldn't that be very good?

 

You don't need alot of magic accuracy to hit hard and magic potions help alooooot, giving that extra accuracy from the top would give magic even more coverage. Am I right?

 

Just curious because surge + 30% + mystic might + blazer! = alot of damage :)

[xpx]

A helpful hint is to make a note of which rooms appear to be likely to have multiple paths branching out from them (as opposed to a room where it is likely it will DE in one or two doors). Then, if you get a Mono or Ghost room, immediately open the room(s) you made a note of. Reason is that Monos, Ghosts, and I believe Mercs all cause the monsters in the next couple rooms you open to be very low leveled. So if you have an unopened path with potential for several rooms and you use this "bonus" on it, it'll really help your times by allowing you to clear a series of rooms quickly.

 

depends how early on it is in the floor if it's first few rooms you don't get lowers, it's Grooves/Ghosts/Mono if the Mono/Ghosts/Grooves are going into a corner you can usually ignore them (it's best to ignore ghosts if you can). they add 2-3 minutes to a floor 1% bonus rooms isn't worth the time taken.

And the last floor i keyed had two one way ghosts at start(199 and 169) and a non-hex necro....32 mins... :wall:

 

Hey doesnt magic (on its own) have the best coverage over all.

 

I'm thinking: is it crazy for someone whos 100 dungeoneering to have CCS, surgebox, and that t11 magic top and hood.

If you designate mager on the best things to mage in order in each gd and meleers on best things to melee... wouldn't that be very good?

 

You don't need alot of magic accuracy to hit hard and magic potions help alooooot, giving that extra accuracy from the top would give magic even more coverage. Am I right?

 

Just curious because surge + 30% + mystic might = alot of damage :)

Yes, it is crazy. for the reasons of...

 

Magic prayers don't increase damage.

 

Magic needs runes, and you will only have good damage with fire surge, which takes 166 gp per cast. You wouldn't survive a whole floor on one csb charge.

 

Magic accuracy isn't a problem on the monsters you should mage.

 

Baxe+turmoil would have higher dps on most of the monsters, with neck/rapier/gaunts increasing that further.

 

You can't kill mages or mage resistant monsters, meaning you will be useless on a large number of enemies.

 

And to top if all off, it would be catastrophically stupid to consider having only one attack style. That's basically like dungeoneering with only one good arm. No one combat style is sufficient for dungeoneering, with melee being the best all rounder. You'd basically be the same as a <100 dg hex, who some keyers don't allow into their teams.

[notasoupbowl]

Not entirely his fault, I should think. He understood the importance of a hood AND he found one at the perfect opportunity (around lvl 50) without even being told. However, during that floor, his friend (also hoodless :rolleyes: ) took it from right in front of him and alched it...

It was only through quite a bit of encouragement that he got that far. A lot of people would just ragequit... :mellow: I'm not pushing him right now lol.

If it's any consolation, he told me just now he was planning on binding both maul and rapier. That should be decently effective, I think?

 

No, you need a high-accuracy slash weapon. Like I said, if he binds sub-par weapons knowing they're sub-par, he's just selfish. He's hurting the team. If he really wanted two weapons (which I don't advise for hoodless players), he could bind a prom 2h and primal rapier and just suicide to his heart's content.

For soloing you don't really need high accuracy as much, the monsters are low lvl. You only need the accuracy on some bosses.

So primal rapier would be better than maul. But prom 2h is still probably better.

[dukky]

A few things you should do differently:

 

1. You can avoid the binds/curses by moving two tiles away. You don't need to tank them.

2. Use leech defense and ranged.

3. GGSing out will get you killed sometimes, as the GGS tele doesn't negate all damage like your personal gate does.

 

I'm surprised that's your first time. Do you just never get Necrolord or maybe another hex tends to do it instead?

Haven't gotten necro that often, plus i'm rarely the only hex on the team (did like 5m xp with Jdelacroix and there were almost always 3+ hexes on the team), and also we've often found boss as one of the very last doors. I used ggs tele since my gate was at an alt, and I probably would have run out of cosmics teleing to it and the the ggs each time,but yeah I know about the soaking thing, very useful for geomancer when you run out of food. Tanking the binds and curses wasn't really a problem since i had food, and you don't actually lose any attack turns if you just re-click on necro as he casts it. And yeah I should have had enouh arrows but that was only like my 5th floor after not dging for nearly a month so I wasn't used to conserving them.

 

Or you do 45-47 twice and get necro a couple times an no thunderous??

I usually do 45-47 4 times, or sometimes I do 42-44(flesh spoiler) as well.

[Obtaurian]

A few things you should do differently:

 

1. You can avoid the binds/curses by moving two tiles away. You don't need to tank them.

2. Use leech defense and ranged.

3. GGSing out will get you killed sometimes, as the GGS tele doesn't negate all damage like your personal gate does.

 

I'm surprised that's your first time. Do you just never get Necrolord or maybe another hex tends to do it instead?

Haven't gotten necro that often, plus i'm rarely the only hex on the team (did like 5m xp with Jdelacroix and there were almost always 3+ hexes on the team), and also we've often found boss as one of the very last doors. I used ggs tele since my gate was at an alt, and I probably would have run out of cosmics teleing to it and the the ggs each time,but yeah I know about the soaking thing, very useful for geomancer when you run out of food. Tanking the binds and curses wasn't really a problem since i had food, and you don't actually lose any attack turns if you just re-click on necro as he casts it. And yeah I should have had enouh arrows but that was only like my 5th floor after not dging for nearly a month so I wasn't used to conserving them.

 

Or you do 45-47 twice and get necro a couple times an no thunderous??

I usually do 45-47 4 times, or sometimes I do 42-44(flesh spoiler) as well.

 

Why stand still and use food when you don't have to, especially when you weren't re-clicking fast enough to not lose attack turns. People should just take advice without trying to defend themselves.

[Jimmyw3000]

yay. finally. medal time? :D

 

 

it was like some pro team tho.

[Eyebeam]

yay. finally. medal time? :D

 

 

it was like some pro team tho.

 

Jimmy didn't suicide btw. He got raped. That's all :P

 

My floor:

[xpx]

Eye, your floor must be fake, some 85 mage with 2 binds got battle mage over charlie....

[Saradomin_Mage]

Pro wing team on troll floor with levers mime ramo (levers had a lotta bad stuff)

Also, Weirdo's really mad at me.

[timmmmm83]

Hey

 

Can I join you guys?

Eager to learn and eager to get 120 dungeoneering. :cool:

 

Tim

 

(cc empty atm)