Dungeonsweepers (DGS) - Huge changes; read first post.

[Blutters]

Thanks guys, I'm very glad it's true!! :thumbsup:

[SirIzenhime]

Lol, two of my friends fought Yk'lagor for the first time tonight....they both died on his first "true power". It was funny :P

[Saradomin_Mage]

Ah, but it is true. People now "advertise" (or should...damn idiots in 148) Occults +2, because so long as you have an occult floor open you'll get xp from the lowest(right?) floor you have open, no matter what the host picked as the floor number.

 

In a sense and using the old system to describe the floors now, everyone can do their own floor at the same time. I can "be doing" 47, my friend 45, and so on.

Well, I'd rather they split the theme into Low, Medium and High Occults (4 floors each), because the XP difference between more than 5 floors can get quite staggering. I'd really rather not do F36 when my last open is F44+, really.

[green9090]

Can someone explain exactly what this week's tweaks allow for?

My friend is telling me that if I have floor 47 open, and he has floor 41, and we both join the same floor 37, I'll get full XP for floor 47 which will become marked off and he'll gain full XP for 41 which will likewise become marked off for him... Meaning that as long as we each have some Occult floor open we can basically join any Occult floor and get full XP?

This sounds too good to be true!

 

^true

 

(other then the "sounds too good to be true" part)

No, it isn't true.

 

Say your only floor is 45 and you join 38. At the end, you get experience as if you had done 38, and 45 gets ticked off. If it was the opposite- you have 38 open and do 45, you get still exp as if you had done 38 and get 38 ticked off. Thus you should always err on the side of setting the floor too high rather than too low if possible (having players with a lower dungeoneering level can mess this up). If you have to take a small exp hit, though, it's not a big deal. Better than the old way.

[Blutters]

Does this look right? Actually I don't even know what I'm looking for...

 

Honestly my brain's a bit fried right now... :wall: :(

(I'm on painkillers from a surgery earlier this week. Also, this dungeon was NOT with DGSweep but W148 as my friend doesn't have a hood and can't get into a DGSweep DG...)

[Sir_Squab]

Is there any guide on how to kill dreadnaut and blink in warped floors? For dreadnaut I've only had him once in a med solo, took over 5 minutes killing in a similar style to solo sara, using blast spells. Surely there must be a quicker way? And as for blink, I've faced him in c1s, and I always seem to die at least 3 times, as I can't seem to react quick enough to raise the pillar, or am on the wrong side (I know about looking on the minimap).

for dread have 4-5 maging it, if it targets you then run around the room

you shouldn't be using blast spells you should be using surge spells

 

for blink, it's easier with more people as you have more people to cover more areas for pillars

Ah ok, so would it be worth upgrading my blaster ring to tier 5ish or higher for just dread? And I was using blasts because it's all I had available at that time.

Blaster doesn't affect him. :mellow:

 

20 bucks says it does...

 

Blaster is the entangle one, right? I know the entangle ring setting works on whathisface brute boss from the abandoned floors. Tired atm...

 

As for the floor update, it basically gives you the lower of the exp of the floors you're doing vs the one being checked off. Hence it's best to do whatever floor (in the correct theme of course) that the team can do.

 

You don't get exp for a higher floor then the one you are actually doing.

[Obtaurian]

What? We accept people without hoods. The best way to get a hood is to dungeoneer more, and all of our keyers understand that. I didn't even get a hood till 89 dungeoneering (I used to think it was 91 but I tracked my exp to the date).

[Blutters]

Good then! I'm referring him to here. I also joined the DGSweep site forums although I'm not really sure why that was needed. I think I'm going to go lie down...

[xpx]

No, it isn't true.

 

Say your only floor is 45 and you join 38. At the end, you get experience as if you had done 38, and 45 gets ticked off. If it was the opposite- you have 38 open and do 45, you get still exp as if you had done 38 and get 38 ticked off. Thus you should always err on the side of setting the floor too high rather than too low if possible (having players with a lower dungeoneering level can mess this up). If you have to take a small exp hit, though, it's not a big deal. Better than the old way.

Are you sure about this? As far as i've heard and the manual says, you get prestige xp(first column) for the floor that gets ticked off and base xp(second column) for the floor you did if you tick a higher floor off with a lower one. Thus, because base xp is almost constant, you only lose around 200 xp per floor that is higher than what you just did.

[Neltak]

Is there any guide on how to kill dreadnaut and blink in warped floors? For dreadnaut I've only had him once in a med solo, took over 5 minutes killing in a similar style to solo sara, using blast spells. Surely there must be a quicker way? And as for blink, I've faced him in c1s, and I always seem to die at least 3 times, as I can't seem to react quick enough to raise the pillar, or am on the wrong side (I know about looking on the minimap).

for dread have 4-5 maging it, if it targets you then run around the room

you shouldn't be using blast spells you should be using surge spells

 

for blink, it's easier with more people as you have more people to cover more areas for pillars

Ah ok, so would it be worth upgrading my blaster ring to tier 5ish or higher for just dread? And I was using blasts because it's all I had available at that time.

Blaster doesn't affect him. :mellow:

 

20 bucks says it does...

 

Blaster is the entangle one, right? I know the entangle ring setting works on whathisface brute boss from the abandoned floors. Tired atm...

 

I'll bet 50M gp that it doesn't work. (I'm serious)

 

I've had dreadnaught without the safespot, tried the blaster and while it shows the bind animation he doesn't stop moving. Though you are right about it working on the abandoned brute.

 

 

No, it isn't true.

 

Say your only floor is 45 and you join 38. At the end, you get experience as if you had done 38, and 45 gets ticked off. If it was the opposite- you have 38 open and do 45, you get still exp as if you had done 38 and get 38 ticked off. Thus you should always err on the side of setting the floor too high rather than too low if possible (having players with a lower dungeoneering level can mess this up). If you have to take a small exp hit, though, it's not a big deal. Better than the old way.

Are you sure about this? As far as i've heard and the manual says, you get prestige xp(first column) for the floor that gets ticked off and base xp(second column) for the floor you did if you tick a higher floor off with a lower one. Thus, because base xp is almost constant, you only lose around 200 xp per floor that is higher than what you just did.

 

Quoting the KB:

 

You can only receive prestige contributions to your Dungeoneering XP once per floor. Play a floor for a second time and the game will attempt to do the following, in the order shown:

 

• 
   
  
• If a lower floor of the same theme (frozen, abandoned, etc) has not been raided by you, then the floor you raid will be treated as if it was this lower floor. This means that the lower floor will be counted as complete (ticked on your floor interface before a dungeon) and your base value of XP will be calculated according to this lower floor.
  
• If a higher floor of the same theme (frozen, abandoned, etc) has not been raided by you, then the floor you raid will be treated as if it was this higher floor. This means that the higher floor will be counted as complete (ticked on your floor interface before a dungeon) while your base value of XP will be calculated according to the floor you are currently raiding, NOT the higher floor.
  
• If there are no floors of the same theme (frozen, abandoned, etc) that have not been raided by you, you will receive a 0 XP prestige contribution to your base value.
  

[green9090]

No, it isn't true.

 

Say your only floor is 45 and you join 38. At the end, you get experience as if you had done 38, and 45 gets ticked off. If it was the opposite- you have 38 open and do 45, you get still exp as if you had done 38 and get 38 ticked off. Thus you should always err on the side of setting the floor too high rather than too low if possible (having players with a lower dungeoneering level can mess this up). If you have to take a small exp hit, though, it's not a big deal. Better than the old way.

Are you sure about this? As far as i've heard and the manual says, you get prestige xp(first column) for the floor that gets ticked off and base xp(second column) for the floor you did if you tick a higher floor off with a lower one. Thus, because base xp is almost constant, you only lose around 200 xp per floor that is higher than what you just did.

You've got that backwards- the first one is base, the second is prestige. The first one is the one that changes floor by floor, and it's the one that takes a penalty for having checked off a high floor by doing a low floor, so the difference can be significant.

[Zaaps1]

Think about it this way.

 

Jagex likes screwing you over as long as you did the floor you're on already.

 

If you only have higher floors open, you won't get the xp for it.

 

If you only have lower floors open, you don't get the extra xp for the harder floor.

[rhodgman72]

are there any keyers that would take a pure?

http://services.runescape.com/m=adventurers-log/display_player_profile.ws?searchName=hominid

 

I'm about to get 60 dg, and I've done a lot of team dging before. so I'm not unexperienced.

[Sir_Squab]

Think about it this way.

 

Jagex likes screwing you over as long as you did the floor you're on already.

 

If you only have higher floors open, you won't get the xp for it.

 

If you only have lower floors open, you don't get the extra xp for the harder floor.

 

LOL. Although I don't quite like the cynicism, this is the best, simplest explanation I've seen to explain it.

 

Yeah. Basically, if you repeat a floor and get another one in the same theme checked off, you'll get the exp for whatever floor is lower.

[Dragonlordjl]

I don't think Jagex designed the system to reward people for randomly completing floors. They just meant to make it a little easier, with the cost for the convenience being less exp. Ideally, you will want to complete floors you haven't done already to avoid having this system kick in.

[green9090]

The exp loss is more than fair considering the time saved finding teams. You can now form a team among essentially any 5 friends of a similar DG level instantly rather than having to find people with compatible floors, which often involves waiting for this or that person because nobody else has the floor open.

[Zaaps1]

The exp loss is more than fair considering the time saved finding teams. You can now form a team among essentially any 5 friends of a similar DG level instantly rather than having to find people with compatible floors, which often involves waiting for this or that person because nobody else has the floor open.

Also, keyers have a great advantage since they'll almost always be doing the floors THEY want.

Edited March 19, 2011 by Zaaps1

[green9090]

The way I, and I think most other people, would do it is to find the highest floor that is the lowest somebody has open, OR the highest floor that the lowest level can do. In other words, say I have 36 and 43 open, and I'm duoing with somebody who has 37 and 40 open. We'd do 37, which would check off 36 at 36 exp for me and 37 at 37 exp for them. Also, if I only had 47 open and was duoing with someone who only had 38 open and could only access up to floor 40, we'd do 40 so that they get 38 at 38 exp and I get 47 at 40 exp.

 

It sounds complicated but it really isn't. Just look to the guy who has his floors checked off highest and then do his lowest floor or the highest floor everyone in the team can access.

[Obtaurian]

Congratulations to our newest keyer - Nikcevich. :thumbup:

[TDC]

Thanks Guys Got 84 dung and my crapier today.

 

I started out just wanting a chaotic but now i think I'm hooked.

 

Edit: 100 posts in 4 1/2 years of lurking :)

Edited March 20, 2011 by TDC

[Andy]

Congratulations to our newest keyer - Nikcevich. :thumbup:

:thumbsup:

=D>

[green9090]

Congratulations to our newest keyer - Nikcevich. :thumbup:

:thumbsup:

=D>

+1

[Big_Stingman]

So I would like to go for a chaotic rapier, and hear that this is the place to train dungeoneering. So uh, what do I have to do to get in on this action?

[Quyneax]

Gorgonite 2h bound, hood for second bind, plate until you get one, if you're not attached to your attack level get 90 (outside dg) and bind a prom 2h once you get it. Get t6 or t7 berserker (ring upgrades) and use it. Getting 90 defence for a prom plate works but you'll be binding a hood once you find one anyway.

[Big_Stingman]

Gorgonite 2h bound, hood for second bind, plate until you get one, if you're not attached to your attack level get 90 (outside dg) and bind a prom 2h once you get it. Get t6 or t7 berserker (ring upgrades) and use it. Getting 90 defence for a prom plate works but you'll be binding a hood once you find one anyway.

 

Alrighty. I have a gorgonite 2h and plate bound already. So I just hop into the cc and say I would like to dung? Oh and I am pretty sure I have something around a t6 berserker ring.