Wow, I can't believe Jagex hates merch clans more than RW traders. They want to eliminate price manipulation but just like with tricking they are short-sighted. i made my 2b through the GE with minimal effort flipping...this is going to be the next evolution of merching.

 

What happens when merch clans or solo merchers buyout all the PK/boss killing supplies and ingredients. I wonder if players will be as happy that they removed trade limits :cry:

 

Can't wait. :thumbsup:

I fully understand the consequences to bringing back pre-December 10th 2007 Runescape. Sure a lot of old problems will come back, but it's not like it is perfect now. Instead of seeing a cluster of bots fighting over a green dragon spawn, we'll see resources clogged with them. Free trade and the freedom to kill or be killed was what made runescape unique back then. Bringing this back will create old problems but I'm sure Jagex has thought of this for 3 years to sort out a way to keep it under control.

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Thanks

Neh? I come back after a couple months and find THIS?

 

My no vote is getting through, even if I have to tie it to an arrow and mail it to an english archer, it's getting through.

 

Either that, or just a little botting from one person, and EVERYONE on the high scores list will have voted YES

Yes that's the only reason :rolleyes:

 

Some people, you know, like how Runescape is now? Some people didn't experience it and don't believe it was better. Some people don't want to have to wait another two years for Jagex to figure out how to rebalance the game with this in it. Some people don't want even more economic instability. Some people don't want the chance of Runescape going under. Some people don't want to be even more inundated with bots. Some people don't want to be inundated with people who have RWT'd. That is off the tip of my tongue. I know you want the update, but you opinion is an opinion much as mine. With something like this, there is no right answer. It all depends on playing styles. For some reason, people in support seem to be blind to the negatives that will come with bringing it back, thus resorting to twaddle like what has been said.

 

EDIT: And it seems many who think Jagex never do things right are suddenly thinking they will implement this perfectly? I can guarantee the game won't be as it was 3 years ago.

 

 

"Some people, you know, like how Runescape is now?"

 

 

Nobody likes how rs is now. Not even Jagex. First chance they had to bring the wild back they took.

 

 

"Some people didn't experience it and don't believe it was better."

 

It was better. And now they will have a chance to see Runescape in its prime. Ignorance isn't the best of excuses.

 

"Some people don't want to have to wait another two years for Jagex to figure out how to rebalance the game with this in it."

 

Faulty assumption. Basing your opinion off of a 'welllllllll maybeeeeeeeee this wont work right' is stupid.

 

"Some people don't want even more economic instability"

 

Was never a problem before 2007. With this update comes the end of inflation - no more statues. Economy will be in a better overall state.

 

"Some people don't want the chance of Runescape going under"

 

*Facepalm* Runescape has been at risk for going under SINCE 2007. Have you not noticed how hard Jagex has been trying to bring new people into the game???

 

" Some people don't want to be even more inundated with bots"

 

Sooo explain why in 2007 (and I'm taking a craaaaazy risk in assuming you supported jagexs decision) when Jagex said 'its our only option' or whatever; you believed them. But now that they say they've gotten new anti-macro tech in that can deal with the bots you think they are dead wrong? Explain this.

 

"Some people don't want to be inundated with people who have RWT'd."

 

RWT never left, as you're probably already aware. This is unlikely to bring in much more, if any at all.

 

 

 

And finally;

 

"For some reason, people in support seem to be blind to the negatives that will come with bringing it back, thus resorting to twaddle like what has been said."

 

For some reason, people who are not in support seem to be creating false negatives that will come with bringing it back, thus resorting to twaddle like what has been said.

 

cwutididthar.

Yes that's the only reason :rolleyes:

 

Some people, you know, like how Runescape is now? Some people didn't experience it and don't believe it was better. Some people don't want to have to wait another two years for Jagex to figure out how to rebalance the game with this in it. Some people don't want even more economic instability. Some people don't want the chance of Runescape going under. Some people don't want to be even more inundated with bots. Some people don't want to be inundated with people who have RWT'd. That is off the tip of my tongue. I know you want the update, but you opinion is an opinion much as mine. With something like this, there is no right answer. It all depends on playing styles. For some reason, people in support seem to be blind to the negatives that will come with bringing it back, thus resorting to twaddle like what has been said.

 

EDIT: And it seems many who think Jagex never do things right are suddenly thinking they will implement this perfectly? I can guarantee the game won't be as it was 3 years ago.

 

Some people are ignorant.

 

The game's already not balanced. There's already hundreds of abuses and glitches out there that players gleefully trade for REAL money in the form of guides that Jagex can only hope to one day find and patch. The economic instability resulting from this is NOTHING compared to the economic instability that already exists. The flawed design of the GE has created an abomination in "street prices" which discourages trading by requiring too much effort to simply exchange your item for its value. Small groups of players are capable of reaching out to all of Runescape through the GE and manipulate prices in schemes that used to take months, but now only take days. In every single non-PvP, English world, the Sorceress's Garden is packed with bots, the latest thing in botting. MtA, too, is occupied with some of the most sophisticated bots Runescape has seen - bots capable of holding their own simple conversations with real players while earning money and experience. The world for mining coal deposits and gold deposits is also frequented by bots, and then there's the Green Dragon bots and the simple skill bots (Firemaking, High Alch, Crafting, Fletching). RWT is as strong as ever in today's Runescape - just because you turn a blind eye doesn't mean its not there. There are several websites going strong still, and I see advertisements for gold shops and item shops all the time. Again, the trade limits and the inaccurate pricing creates a massive hurdle in trading. Fortunately for the RWT community, it's also an opportunity to appeal to honest players. "Hey, you really want a Fury Kit? Well I won't take gold, nor will anyone else. You can spend 30+ hours doing nothing but typing and trading up the street value ladder to try to get one, spend your entire life hunting and doing Elite clues without any luck, or you can buy it from me, for only $50!" That' just the beginning - there's still all the Fire Cape services, questing services, Barbarian Assault services, and Dungeoneering services being sold. And of course, the good old selling 76k kills in our wonderful PvP worlds that create more wealth than lost.

 

No one is saying Jagex will do everything right - in fact, I think most of us expect some mistakes on a grand scale that will need to be rectified quickly. But the fact remains, the trade limits, the Grand Exchange, the new PvP system, and everything else Jagex has done to fight RWT has failed. The bots are still here. The market for RWT is still here. The economy is less stable, and people who genuinely wish to play the game the way it was meant to be played are at the mercy of those who simply want to collect massive amounts of gold to show off and mess with the prices of everything to boot.

 

The people saying no to the update are just sheeple, incapable or unwilling to think for themselves and ready to simply take the official word to heart, a mantra that's lost its meaning.

Neh? I come back after a couple months and find THIS?

 

My no vote is getting through, even if I have to tie it to an arrow and mail it to an english archer, it's getting through.

 

Either that, or just a little botting from one person, and EVERYONE on the high scores list will have voted YES

 

exept you can't vote no and your username has most likely already been used to vote yes... <_<

 

fail jagex, big fail

Nobody likes how rs is now. Not even Jagex. First chance they had to bring the wild back they took.

Hi. My name is Nobody. Nice to meet you.

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edited :thumbup:

I voted yes. I left runescape due to the boredom of nearly no danger.

Being able to be scammed or lose your items gives you personality. Ofcourse this breeds arrogance too. But lets be fair, people with high skills will inevitably get arrogant, as will every successful person.

 

I would gladly return to runescape should this be reimplemented.

 

I cannot see how one would be against this unless you do not use these features anyway. There will still be a GE to get supplies from. You can still monsterhunt or slay in peace. The only thing this does is add content that adds excitement and the feel of danger in it.

Nobody likes how rs is now. Not even Jagex. First chance they had to bring the wild back they took.

Hi. My name is Nobody. Nice to meet you.

 

Should I add "with a brain" to my original post, or will you be ok?

Cant wait until it is re-implemented.

 

I can actually hear you giggling lol. You pkers and your clans get to pick on and bully ppl again, sounds like great fun.

 

4 words: welcome to the Internet.

 

Bullying on RS through PKing? Lmao? Anyone who goes into the wilderness like I_trollz_u said, should be aware of the risks, and it adds to the excitement of RC'ing or doing a clue or whatever. If they don't want to risk anything, they shouldn't go into the wilderness. That's the way it was before and shouldn't be changed with the re-implementation to cater to kiddies who have no balls to lose a few pixels. That's it.

 

rofl i've been around the internet a loooong time. Its funny how you think i was whining. Just stating the fact that all the pkers are so pumped up for this to come back i can hear them cheering. Quit trying to lecture to someone you dont know. Oh yeah im sure all the pk clans are there to pick on ppl well prepared for a group attacking them. Honestly it doesnt matter to me, i say let them have their fun.

Yes that's the only reason :rolleyes:

 

Some people, you know, like how Runescape is now? Some people didn't experience it and don't believe it was better. Some people don't want to have to wait another two years for Jagex to figure out how to rebalance the game with this in it. Some people don't want even more economic instability. Some people don't want the chance of Runescape going under. Some people don't want to be even more inundated with bots. Some people don't want to be inundated with people who have RWT'd. That is off the tip of my tongue. I know you want the update, but you opinion is an opinion much as mine. With something like this, there is no right answer. It all depends on playing styles. For some reason, people in support seem to be blind to the negatives that will come with bringing it back, thus resorting to twaddle like what has been said.

 

EDIT: And it seems many who think Jagex never do things right are suddenly thinking they will implement this perfectly? I can guarantee the game won't be as it was 3 years ago.

 

 

"Some people, you know, like how Runescape is now?"

 

 

Nobody likes how rs is now. Not even Jagex. First chance they had to bring the wild back they took.

An opinion, just like what I said is. You cannot possibly say people do not like how rs is now. It would be a total lie to try and say so.

 

"Some people didn't experience it and don't believe it was better."

 

It was better. And now they will have a chance to see Runescape in its prime. Ignorance isn't the best of excuses.

Again, an opinion.

 

"Some people don't want to have to wait another two years for Jagex to figure out how to rebalance the game with this in it."

 

Faulty assumption. Basing your opinion off of a 'welllllllll maybeeeeeeeee this wont work right' is stupid.

 

"Some people don't want even more economic instability"

 

Was never a problem before 2007. With this update comes the end of inflation - no more statues. Economy will be in a better overall state.

And you bashed the previous for being an assumption? We do not know how Jagex will impliment this. Statues may remain for all we know. However, we do know, for definite, that it will produce instability in the economy of the game.

 

"Some people don't want the chance of Runescape going under"

 

*Facepalm* Runescape has been at risk for going under SINCE 2007. Have you not noticed how hard Jagex has been trying to bring new people into the game???

Please look at the thread on this page of the forum looking at their finances. They did not tank, although we don't have the most recent reports, immediately after the update the company still grew.

 

" Some people don't want to be even more inundated with bots"

 

Sooo explain why in 2007 (and I'm taking a craaaaazy risk in assuming you supported jagexs decision) when Jagex said 'its our only option' or whatever; you believed them. But now that they say they've gotten new anti-macro tech in that can deal with the bots you think they are dead wrong? Explain this.

Because at the time it as their only option? I saw just how bad the game was hit with bots then. And I can see just how bad it is hit with bots now. However, now they are skill training bots, not resource and money transferring bots. Bringing back free trade means we will be swamped with both.

 

"Some people don't want to be inundated with people who have RWT'd."

 

RWT never left, as you're probably already aware. This is unlikely to bring in much more, if any at all.

 

It was never dead, but it did curtail it to an extent. Allowing it free rule means it has the opportunity to grow at a much faster rate.

 

 

And finally;

 

"For some reason, people in support seem to be blind to the negatives that will come with bringing it back, thus resorting to twaddle like what has been said."

 

For some reason, people who are not in support seem to be creating false negatives that will come with bringing it back, thus resorting to twaddle like what has been said.

 

cwutididthar.

 

Answers in bold.

Nobody likes how rs is now. Not even Jagex. First chance they had to bring the wild back they took.

Hi. My name is Nobody. Nice to meet you.

Should I add "with a brain" to my original post, or will you be ok?

Should I take that as a personal insult or you assume that no one with higher IQ than you can actually prefer the current state of runescape than pre-blah blah (tired of actually typing it) ?

Im fine with this update as long as they put in select nonpking worlds. I always hated player killing, and prefer to stay away from it. That's why I've never logged into a pvp world nor did I do bounty hunter when it existed. The idea of having to be subjected to pvp combat everytime i enter the wilderness does not appeal to me at all.

 

I also will be very upset if the GE goes away. Despite its flaws it has made much more in the way of convenience than it has in the "abomination" of street prices. Things I hated about rs back in the day, item scammers, spamming in W2 Fally, and getting pked when all I wanted to do was my stupid clue. Now all of that could come back and I have no way of voicing my opposition? /facepalm

getting personal over a game? guys, how old are you?

 

my opinion?

i don't care if it comes back or it stays the way it is now, but i do care that someone was able to use my name to cast a vote without me even having the choice if i wanted to vote or not...

 

u messed up jagex

Nobody likes how rs is now. Not even Jagex. First chance they had to bring the wild back they took.

Hi. My name is Nobody. Nice to meet you.

 

Should I add "with a brain" to my original post, or will you be ok?

Cmon, your opinion that runescape was better before is no better than another man's opinion about how runescape is better now. An opinion is an opinion, it is not an absolute fact, don't treat it like one.

The people saying no to the update are just sheeple, incapable or unwilling to think for themselves and ready to simply take the official word to heart, a mantra that's lost its meaning.

It couldn't actually be that:

 

1) We don't like being put under the impression that we can vote against this, even though we can't and someone else will vote for us anyway, or;

2) We don't like PKing and don't see any need to remove trade restrictions.

 

I lol'd a little at the the irony of your post too, given the official word is pretty much 'Yes, or else someone will vote Yes for you'. Maybe I'm just not thinking for myself. :rolleyes:

Neh? I come back after a couple months and find THIS?

 

My no vote is getting through, even if I have to tie it to an arrow and mail it to an english archer, it's getting through.

 

Either that, or just a little botting from one person, and EVERYONE on the high scores list will have voted YES

 

I have voted yes approximately 2000 times with my bots, and i added you as well to make sure my bots didn't miss you out.

bye :mrgreen:

 

The amount of people leaving is insignificant to the amount of people that would play again if these updates go through

Really? Where is the evidence for this? Most of the people on this thread still play RS. The Off-Topic forum isn't exactly buzzing with this news.

The people saying no to the update are just sheeple, incapable or unwilling to think for themselves and ready to simply take the official word to heart, a mantra that's lost its meaning.

It couldn't actually be that:

 

1) We don't like being put under the impression that we can vote against this, even though we can't and someone else will vote for us anyway, or;

2) We don't like PKing and don't see any need to remove trade restrictions.

 

I lol'd a little at the the irony of your post too, given the official word is pretty much 'Yes, or else someone will vote Yes for you'. Maybe I'm just not thinking for myself. :rolleyes:

 

1) I'm under the impression that we can't even vote for this. Remember, a Jagex Mod has officially said they don't care who votes for it and they're not looking at the names. It makes sense, given how primitive the system registering these votes is, a system that they specifically elected to use over the ordinary poll system. More likely than not, they've already made up their mind, and they already know the results of this "vote."

 

2) You don't have to like PKing, it's there for people who want to PK, and there for people who don't want to PK to avoid. Already, Mod Mark has mentioned that some of the old wilderness activities (Abyss crafting and Clue scrolls) will probably be adjusted to accommodate for the added risk (even now you could say the rewards are underwhelming for the risk entailed, and this would increase risk further). Areas that were not designed to encompass the risk of PKers (Chaos Tunnels, various minigames, quest areas) will also likely be moved. And if you don't see a need to remove trade restrictions, then you play mostly by yourself (which is fine, if that's how you play, so be it), or you're completely blind to how trade has become a horrible caricature of how it was meant to be.

 

Really, given the fact that you can sign your name multiple times onto the same petition, what names go on the petition is meaningless. It's just the name that might be displayed for a tenth of a second after signed, and is then lost later. It's not a vote, and it doesn't really matter whose name goes onto it, since no one, not even Jagex, is going to be looking at the names. Would you have preferred them to simply say "Click Here to vote for free trade and wilderness!" and just count clicks instead?

Neh? I come back after a couple months and find THIS?

 

My no vote is getting through, even if I have to tie it to an arrow and mail it to an english archer, it's getting through.

 

Either that, or just a little botting from one person, and EVERYONE on the high scores list will have voted YES

 

I have voted yes approximately 2000 times with my bots, and i added you as well to make sure my bots didn't miss you out.

 

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

bye :mrgreen:

 

The amount of people leaving is insignificant to the amount of people that would play again if these updates go through

Really? Where is the evidence for this? Most of the people on this thread still play RS. The Off-Topic forum isn't exactly buzzing with this news.

 

 

I don't think he means just the tipit forum. People will adapt again, as always. But there are thousands of people who quit because it got removed. They could easily come back. I know 5 of my irl friends who are for this and would buy membership again if this happens.

if you dont think this is the greatest thing to ever happen to rs......ur a noob

bye :mrgreen:

 

The amount of people leaving is insignificant to the amount of people that would play again if these updates go through

Really? Where is the evidence for this? Most of the people on this thread still play RS. The Off-Topic forum isn't exactly buzzing with this news.

 

 

I don't think he means just the tipit forum. People will adapt again, as always. But there are thousands of people who quit because it got removed. They could easily come back. I know 5 of my irl friends who are for this and would buy membership again if this happens.

 

I know liek 15 people with high level accounts who will return to the game :mrgreen:

if you dont think this is the greatest thing to ever happen to rs......ur a noob

I might say the opposite tbh.