tintin113 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Same, Sy, and I think it's quite amusing that people think that for something to be analogous it has to follow an exact form. Teaching children how to write analogies like that is going to confuse them more than just explaining simple sentence structure, telling them what an analogy is, and then letting them fill the gaps through trial and error. Teaching kids how to write like that is like teaching them to ride a bike by showing them a diagram... #cosit'sananalogyyouseewhatIdidtherecosIwastalkingaboutthemandthenIusedonehahingeniousohnoIjusthavetoomuchtimeonmyhandsrightnowalsothisthreadisgoingabitOTalsomuggithatwasjustadeliberatelyalienatingformatofwritingananologyusewordsnexttimepleaseyesIknowthisisquitedifficulttoreadtoobutthat'skindoftheanalogyI'mmakingbywritingitthiswayalthoughwhilethismakesitdifficultyoursmadeitfullyimpossibleforthosethathadn'tlearntthatspecificarbitrarysetofrulesokifyougotthisfarhaveacookieIthinkI'mjustgoingtopresspostnow Can I have a Cookie now? (Didn't actually read the whole thing, skimmed to the end letting the important bits jump out at me) Unspam: Are there any bosses that are crush-weak? If so then drygore maces may be the most expensive of the weapons. http://static.guim.c...cookie.-008.jpg [image display blocked; image is linked instead.]http://i1.kym-cdn.co...623/1538135.jpg [image display blocked; image is linked instead.] Unspam: To answer your question: http://services.rune...64109504,goto,2 - Abyssal Leech- Cave Bug- Cockatrice- Corpse Archer- Corpse Spider- Cyclops (Warrior's Guild - Lvl 82 [blue])- Deadly Red Spider- Dust Devil- Elf Warrior (Ranged)- Fever Spider- Giant Spider- Gnome- Harpie Bug Swarm- Ice Spider- Jelly- Jungle Spider- Killerwatt- King Scorpion- Living Rock Striker- Locust Ranger- Molanisk- Nechryael- Poison Spider- Scabaras Locust- Scorpion- Sergeant Grimspike- Shadow Spider- Spider- Thug Other than Sergeant Grimspike and Nechryaels there doesn't seem to be a single useful monster on that list... And I somehow doubt people are going to be bringing maul switches for Grim... 1 Thanks to Quarra for the awesome sig!Xbox360 Gamertag = Tintin113 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpx Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 How little jagex continues to learn from their own mistakes continues not to amaze me... When KQ was released, she seemed like the hardest boss ever, only to soon be found easily soloable(and that was 2004 soloable, with MSB/dhide and rune throwaxes). One person even got 90-99 ranging there. Now they release the KK, and basically make all the same mistakes. Oh, and don't even get me started on the so called evolution of combat, when a person having spent a few hours examining it will tell you all about how flawed the designs for it are. It's just atrocious that they can't even figure out how to level DPS for 2h and dual weapons. First to 99 Farming on 27. September, 2005.First to 3766 Port Score on 20. March, 2014.First to 4664 Port Score on 2. March, 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decebal Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Oh, and don't even get me started on the so called evolution of combat, when a person having spent a few hours examining it will tell you all about how flawed the designs for it are. It's just atrocious that they can't even figure out how to level DPS for 2h and dual weapons.And I can spend a couple of seconds examining the old combat system and tell you its major flaws. Let's not open this can of worms in a thread about the KK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muckytears Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 runescape 6 minutes agowow, you indeed have mad skills =) i wish you'd come to visit us so we could watch you nail him live! maybe next boss ; ) - paul m that didn't last very long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krampell Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Surprised he never did his one hit ko attack.I'm sure someone at Jagex is kicking themselves for how short time it took before it was solo'd.Either way. Kudos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayc3399 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 He didn't turn green once? Quest Cape Achieved on November 14, 2007Items AcquiredCrystal Pick and HatchetBerzerker Ring x 33/28 Barrows Items Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estoc Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Just went and tried to see if they made it so he won't 1 hit you solo. 3 hits in and he 1 hit me solo. From the empty days of hope, deny the darknessFollow my voice, we'll run far away from hereIf only to hide, to escape this lifeAnd live forever, forever in the sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riptide Mage Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Just went and tried to see if they made it so he won't 1 hit you solo. 3 hits in and he 1 hit me solo. Honestly would not be surprised if they made an exception in the code for woox, since they already made an exception for bug abusing PoP for him. 4 You make it sound like running through a few level 87 monsters is hard which it really shouldn't be at your level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mylez Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 No surprises that Woox was the first. As for Jagex making exceptions in the code, I doubt that very much. I expect this is more luck that anything; I can't imagine how many times he died doing this until just one lucky kill comes along in which he doesn't get 1 hit ko'ed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lioness Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 This isn't possible anymore I believe, as in the patch notes they said they changed the ways the attack of KK would occur. Also I read that he said between 20-30 attemps. Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?~ Marianne Williamson For account help/issues, please follow this link: Account Help. If you need further assistance, do not hesitate to PM me or post here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blutters Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 This isn't possible anymore I believe, as in the patch notes they said they changed the ways the attack of KK would occur. Also I read that he said between 20-30 attemps.If he was manipulating the attack order so that the KK would never use the 1-hit KO attack, does that mean the kill was really "legit"? I'm not sure where to draw the line.The video is pretty amazing regardless. I laughed rather spastically when I saw he didn't have a shield equipped or in inventory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Imo any method which is not consistent is not making a boss 'soloable' in the metagame sense. If you can solo a boss one in twenty attempts (and die every other attempt), then that's a fair balance imo. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krampell Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 "Some changes to the Kalphite Kings behaviour have been made to prevent manipulation of his attack cycle in order to avoid more powerful attacks."In other words One-hit Ko attack.Yeah, I smell Bug Abuse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estoc Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I'm pretty behind on Woox16 lore, but when was the last time he legitimately did something amazing like soloing an "unsoloable" boss? Corp? Seems like he's not all that good, merely he has an understanding with Jagex where he exploits some coding error to accomplish supposedly amazing feats, then they all congratulate him and play it up like he's some kind of rs celebrity. From the empty days of hope, deny the darknessFollow my voice, we'll run far away from hereIf only to hide, to escape this lifeAnd live forever, forever in the sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IridiumBunny Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 The problem I have with most accomplishments of Woox16 is that is greys the line between what is and is not bug abuse. For example, his Nex solo exploited movement mechanics and meant he took very little damage. Obviously this was a bug, which got patched very soon after, but Jagex played it up like he was a big hero. Similarly with the rerolls exploit for POP. This makes it harder to define what bug abuse really is, as it might just be a legal exploit which you should keep quiet about to avoid it getting patched. Indeed, it may even encourage seeking out bugs to exploit for profit, because if you are famous enough Jagex will reward you with fame and glory rather than a reset or ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 He found bugs. If someone was doing my job for me I'd probably be pretty damn friendly towards him too. Jagex should invite him to dinner sometime. Maybe nice seafood and a glass of wine. ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoko Kurama Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 He found bugs. If someone was doing my job for me I'd probably be pretty damn friendly towards him too. Jagex should invite him to dinner sometime. Maybe nice seafood and a glass of wine. Most people who "find" bugs get bans or other harsh penalties. Why should Woox16 be any different? Because he told MMG that he was pretty or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruinous Edge Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 He found bugs. If someone was doing my job for me I'd probably be pretty damn friendly towards him too. Jagex should invite him to dinner sometime. Maybe nice seafood and a glass of wine. Most people who "find" bugs get bans or other harsh penalties. Why should Woox16 be any different? Because he told MMG that he was pretty or something?Maybe because he's consistently finding bugs in new content, and not spamming a single bug for say 200mil construct xp or massive amounts of money.But as with anything to do with Jagex..I doubt even they know in all honestly. Quest Cape Achieved 10/08/2012TFU: Ruinous Edge http://www.transformersuniverse.comA piece of glass in the sand under your feet, it cuts you deep and it makes you hate the beauty that you see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tintin113 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 He finds bugs through an in-depth knowledge of RS mechanics, and reports it to Jagex, that's why they're ok with him doing it. I don't know why people seem to think that he should be able to accomplish his feats using the same methods that we fail with, in fact I'm pretty sure doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result is one of the definitions of insanity. Without finding ingenious ways around the system, he wouldn't be able to do what he does, but did other people find out how to do it first? No, not even the people who made the system. So he clearly has a talent, and that's what's being celebrated. Thanks to Quarra for the awesome sig!Xbox360 Gamertag = Tintin113 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estoc Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 He finds bugs through an in-depth knowledge of RS mechanics, and reports it to Jagex, that's why they're ok with him doing it. I don't know why people seem to think that he should be able to accomplish his feats using the same methods that we fail with, in fact I'm pretty sure doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result is one of the definitions of insanity. Without finding ingenious ways around the system, he wouldn't be able to do what he does, but did other people find out how to do it first? No, not even the people who made the system. So he clearly has a talent, and that's what's being celebrated. They're not celebrating him for being a bug busting hero, they're celebrating him for being the best monster killer. runescape 6 minutes agowow, you indeed have mad skills =) i wish you'd come to visit us so we could watch you nail him live! maybe next boss ; ) - paul m That isn't praise for being a good game tester, it's praise for "having mad skills" and accomplishing feats. From the empty days of hope, deny the darknessFollow my voice, we'll run far away from hereIf only to hide, to escape this lifeAnd live forever, forever in the sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artemis1330 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 You're all assuming he abused a bug. Something not going how jagex intended and something being bug abuse are very very different things. I am not a skiller, but i do some skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estoc Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 The point is that he's not an especially good fighter like everyone makes him out to be, he's just good at finding exploits. Call it what you want, but making nex run around the room while he sits in a corner and takes no damage is not skill, it's merely knowledge of how the game works which anyone can accomplish. However, he actively seeks such exploits out, and since they are patched so fast, nobody gets a chance. From the empty days of hope, deny the darknessFollow my voice, we'll run far away from hereIf only to hide, to escape this lifeAnd live forever, forever in the sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urza285 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 No he's good at playing the game by its parameters... Just as good as you guys are good at whining. Anyone else would safe spot, dance, push, etc. a boss because its withi the games parameters. The obvious difference here is woox was testing the random chance to see how long it took to get a solo kill without the one shot KO move. That was done and over with now that they fixed things. Give the guy credit not based solely on his feats, but his wits too. Jagex has honestly never made a full fledged boss that required real teamwork up until the fix they made. Maxed [February 14, 2012] | Completionist [October 25, 2012] | Trimmed Completionist [in Progress]Visit my Blog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saradomin_Mage Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 He's using a stun move to prevent the one-hit green thing from occurring (or at least people who've watched the video tell me that :P). At least, it's not purely random luck. In real life MMO you don't get 99 smithing by making endless bronze daggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 You're all assuming he abused a bug. Something not going how jagex intended and something being bug abuse are very very different things. No their not. The KK attacks were not meant to be able to be manipulated to avoid specific ones happening.The fact they were is therefore a bug.To manipulate them is therefore bug abuse. If Jagex doesn't intend something to work a certain way and then it does it is by definition a bug, especially when it is subsequently fixed. The act of it needing to be fixed indicates it was broken. 1 Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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