200M in all Skills

[enfield]

Personal efficiency needs 2 units to determine while crude efficiency only needs 1 (for example xp/hour and actions/hour for personal efficiency, and xp/hour for crude efficiency).

 

xp/action is a nice unit. together with time/action it could also be used to determine personal efficiency. I don't really think the concepts can be merged in a satisfactory way..

[Stev]

People just need to remember that rs is purely meant for entertainment purposes and should never get in the way of rl things and like people often say you should maximize fun. Some people may judge you on your training methods, but in the end it should just be about you having fun with your friends on the game, and who cares what some e-troll thinks.

I agree... To an extent.

 

As I said earlier - the most efficient training methods are often the most boring which require the most attention and are least AFKable. Majority of the times, these methods are not by any means 'fun'.

 

However! What is wrong with training and grinding for faster XP, enduring hours of boring XP gains, so that you can get to the fun stuff more quickly?

 

Just my thoughts. :P.

[Capo_di_Capi]

When it comes down to it, I think there's only one definition of efficiency.

 

Efficiency = receiving the most output from the least input.

 

Outputs: Xp, enjoyment

Inputs: Time, effort

 

Stick to Xp and Time, the only measurable values. We all agree that we cannot measure fun, nor can we measure effort: APM doesn't work (your alching example), nor does Xp/A. I quote you: "Xp/A shows how much you receive divided by the amount of effort put it." So you're trying to measure effort by a formula with the 'A' as effort. Good luck solving that ;). I don't think effort should be described in 'actions', but more in 'level of focus' or 'complication'. Effort means using your brain, not necessarily clicking a lot. As RS is a grind, focus/complication/'using your brain' should be seen as timing ticks (Arctic Pines splitting) or thinking out the best scenario (Dungeoneering, Flash Powder). But even if we would define 'effort' as 'complication', it's (close to) impossible to measure.

 

So I figure it would be best to define effort simply as input/effort as in time/xp. Cutting Ivys I would say is indeed practibility, not so much efficiency. Yes it is efficiency in Dragoneance's life, but not in his RS career. We should stick to the RS career, not because I don't care about Dragonseance's life, but because 'efficiency', as complicated as it is, should be generalized.

 

 

 

People just need to remember that rs is purely meant for entertainment purposes and should never get in the way of rl things and like people often say you should maximize fun. Some people may judge you on your training methods, but in the end it should just be about you having fun with your friends on the game, and who cares what some e-troll thinks.

 

You're contradicting yourself. For some people RS is a real life-thing; voluntarily.

[ProtoRob]

I disagree, just because you can't put exact numbers on things like fun and effort, doesn't mean it's not possible to discuss them. Quantifiable efficiency rates are clearly not the only form of efficiency accepted.

[Hedgehog]

I disagree, just because you can't put exact numbers on things like fun and effort, doesn't mean it's not possible to discuss them. Quantifiable efficiency rates are clearly not the only form of efficiency accepted.

You could say, "X method is the most efficient, but only if you find it fun." But you could also say that about Y method. The same goes for Z method, ad nauseam. It's just easier to leave it at what we can measure and let people decide what they want to do based on what only they can measure.

[Pinata]

People just need to remember that rs is purely meant for entertainment purposes and should never get in the way of rl things and like people often say you should maximize fun. Some people may judge you on your training methods, but in the end it should just be about you having fun with your friends on the game, and who cares what some e-troll thinks.

I agree... To an extent.

 

As I said earlier - the most efficient training methods are often the most boring which require the most attention and are least AFKable. Majority of the times, these methods are not by any means 'fun'.

 

However! What is wrong with training and grinding for faster XP, enduring hours of boring XP gains, so that you can get to the fun stuff more quickly?

 

Just my thoughts. :P.

I suppose it would depend on the method and what said player finds fun. Personally I'd rather grind something for 5hrs, then do something fun for 10hrs to reach the same goal. Then again I would rather do something fun for 200 hours then grind for 100 hours. So for me it would just depend on how far my goal is. Some people can grind day after day, others like me don't really have the attention span and will end up just bank standing for the same amount of time that we could've been training. I got around 300 days played and should have got the comp cape 200 days played ago, if I played efficiently. Also I actually find non-afk methods more enjoyable, but thats just because if I try watching a movie or playing another game or hw while woodcutting Ivy, Ill forget about rs and just focus on the main priority.

 

There's nothing wrong with doing boring methods, but I just think some people have different limits of how much they can handle them.

 

People just need to remember that rs is purely meant for entertainment purposes and should never get in the way of rl things and like people often say you should maximize fun. Some people may judge you on your training methods, but in the end it should just be about you having fun with your friends on the game, and who cares what some e-troll thinks.

 

You're contradicting yourself. For some people RS is a real life-thing; voluntarily.

 

Idk I just treat rs as any other game, just I tend to play it a lot more because I find it more enjoyable and not finished with it. Anyways if rs was someones life, still doesn't mean they shouldn't have fun on the game/do whatever methods they enjoy. In the end it's their account and no-one elses.

[enfield]

^^ that's true for "fun" (i really don't think this variable has any place in efficiency discussion..) but not for effort. That we can quantify fairly well - with actions. While no one will dispute xp/h alone approximates what's most efficient for one to do fairly well (given individual circumstances), including actions/h would allow one to determine what's most efficient for them even more accurately.

 

of course if no one can agree on how to measure actions/h for various things, or if no one wants to, then that's okay and efficiency will forever be talked about in terms of xp/h. But that doesn't invalidate the fact that in principle measuring actions/h for things could be done (i think) and would benefit efficiency discussion.

[Anticipate]

Simon got 200m farm :)

[ProtoRob]

Don't so much mean that fun should be counted towards efficiency, but good utilisation of time should. Time where you otherwise would have been gaining 0 xp is efficiently spent at ivy instead.

[Mr_G_W]

Id be happy with 13m on all skills lol

[12pure34]

Perhaps time for an update on the time chart and milestones?

 

Also, did anyone dare to make an estimate on the amount of hours played on average weekly by our top contestors.

[Bojack]

Hmmm i usually wait a few days before coming to read this thread just so i can read a large amount all at once. Unfortunately this week efficiency needed to be redefined again and i just skipped over the last like 3 pages

 

Personally im all for discussions about methods that gain you the most xp/hr (ie. arctic pines > ivy) but these discussions are not really about that anymore, you guys are going to deep into this concept

[Gemeos2]

Perhaps time for an update on the time chart and milestones?

 

Also, did anyone dare to make an estimate on the amount of hours played on average weekly by our top contestors.

 

I used to be able to make that with my calculator but I can't make it until people find out the new effigy formula. Some cases, for people that isn't gaining effigys, you can calculate if you know the xp rates.

 

Suomi played 60 hours last 7 days.

Jake played 46 hours last 7 days.

[asfcjfdyitfhglh]

Grattis to A13D on 200M hunt. Also grattis to Jjussi on being the second ever maxed (1721) level 3! All combat levels 1 (except of course hp, which is 10). Magnus, the other 1721 level 3, is woodcutting and is about 71M xp away from 1B! Amazing what a level 3 can do.

[Dragonseance]

 

I ivy when i absolutely cannot pay attention, for example in class. Today is a Monday and a prime example of the benefits of ivy (on a phone), I had class from 1:35 pm to 9:00 pm, got a 6hr log in that time I cut so much ivy, better than the past 2 months when i didn't even log in on Mondays.

[The_Fray]

 

I ivy when i absolutely cannot pay attention, for example in class. Today is a Monday and a prime example of the benefits of ivy (on a phone), I had class from 1:35 pm to 9:00 pm, got a 6hr log in that time I cut so much ivy, better than the past 2 months when i didn't even log in on Mondays.

Thats not a bad idea, I should start doing afkable skills during lectures. And that's a horrible Monday, I usually rearrange my schedule so its more balanced.

[essiw]

Perhaps time for an update on the time chart and milestones?

 

Also, did anyone dare to make an estimate on the amount of hours played on average weekly by our top contestors.

 

I used to be able to make that with my calculator but I can't make it until people find out the new effigy formula. Some cases, for people that isn't gaining effigys, you can calculate if you know the xp rates.

 

Suomi played 60 hours last 7 days.

Jake played 46 hours last 7 days.

For now you could just divide the effigy formula by 4 (not that accurate, but better then nothing)?

[Aylarliez]

Perhaps time for an update on the time chart and milestones?

 

Also, did anyone dare to make an estimate on the amount of hours played on average weekly by our top contestors.

 

I used to be able to make that with my calculator but I can't make it until people find out the new effigy formula. Some cases, for people that isn't gaining effigys, you can calculate if you know the xp rates.

 

Suomi played 60 hours last 7 days.

Jake played 46 hours last 7 days.

 

What xp rate do you use for Suomi's attack xp? Does it include banking etc? Based on your 60 hours, he should be getting 280k Attack xp/hour? (Idk how much did it show when you did the track tho). But anyway, I'm thinking if there is any confirmed attack xp rate for Ape Atoll skeletons?

 

 

Exp gains for S U O M I in last 1wk: Overall +24,094,644 | Att (117->119) +16,808,088 | Cns (125->126) 5,595,182

 

Edit: Suomi logged out 33 minutes ago, I believe this is 6-hour log: Exp gains for S U O M I in last 35mins: Overall +1,722,351 | Att(119) +1,190,438 | Cns(126) +396,286

 

Xp rate of 198k/h maybe?

 

85 hours is still much, not that much he used to play tho :D Anyone remember the agility xp record he made? 35.5M xp in a month, somewhere around 515 hours played in a month (16.6 hours/day) at those days xp-rates ;d Assuming he would get the theoretical max of 69k/h, which he averaged all the time :) Just wanted to grace our great player a bit <3

 

SUOMI FOR THE PRESIDENT!

[Wertyue]

Grattis to A13D on 200M hunt. Also grattis to Jjussi on being the second ever maxed (1721) level 3! All combat levels 1 (except of course hp, which is 10). Magnus, the other 1721 level 3, is woodcutting and is about 71M xp away from 1B! Amazing what a level 3 can do.

A Log Burner was the 2nd maxed out level 3, he has 1723 total because his HP is 12.

 

Btw, can someone post the current list by Rach from HLF where all the top players are ranked by total xp?

[Thai_tong]

Here are the milestone tables that Rach keeps up to date on hlf. Im just putting the top 20 to keep it concise

 

 

PLAYERS WITH MOST 200M SKILLS

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Rank : Total Level : 200m Skills : Name

----------------------------------

 

1 : 2496 : 15 : S U O M I

2 : 2496 : 14 : Jake

3 : 2493 : 11 : Drumgun

4 : 2496 : 10 : Jdelacroix

5 : 2496 : 10 : Elias

6 : 2496 : 10 : Telmomarques

7 : 2496 : 9 : Elvis

8 : 2478 : 8 : Nico Robin

9 : 2476 : 8 : Paperbag

10 : 2496 : 7 : AlmostLost

11 : 2496 : 6 : Green098

12 : 2496 : 6 : Paulrat3

13 : 2496 : 6 : Athymy

14 : 2496 : 6 : Igneo

15 : 2481 : 6 : Kai856

16 : 2448 : 6 : Kemadorr

17 : 2377 : 6 : Gertjaars

18 : 2496 : 5 : Kngkyle

19 : 2496 : 5 : Skiller 703

20 : 2496 : 5 : iMyk[/hide]

 

PLAYERS WITH MOST 100M SKILLS

[hide]

Rank : Total Level : Skills > 100m xp : Name

----------------------------------

 

1 : 2496 : 21 : S U O M I

2 : 2496 : 16 : Jake

3 : 2477 : 16 : Dapledo

4 : 2496 : 15 : Jdelacroix

5 : 2496 : 14 : Elvis

6 : 2496 : 13 : Elias

7 : 2496 : 13 : Telmomarques

8 : 2493 : 13 : Drumgun

9 : 2496 : 11 : AlmostLost

10 : 2496 : 10 : Kingduffy

11 : 2496 : 10 : Simon

12 : 2476 : 10 : Paperbag

13 : 2496 : 9 : Green098

14 : 2496 : 9 : Pope712

15 : 2496 : 9 : Paulrat3

16 : 2496 : 9 : Skiller 703

17 : 2496 : 9 : Dragonseance

18 : 2496 : 9 : Bing12342001

19 : 2478 : 9 : Nico Robin

20 : 2496 : 8 : Kngkyle [/hide]

 

PLAYERS WITH MOST 50M SKILLS

[hide]

Rank : Total Level : Skills > 50m xp : Name

-----------------------------

 

1 : 2496 : 25 : Da Broman1

2 : 2496 : 23 : S U O M I

3 : 2496 : 21 : Elias

4 : 2496 : 21 : Kingduffy

5 : 2496 : 20 : Elvis

6 : 2496 : 19 : Jdelacroix

7 : 2477 : 19 : Dapledo

8 : 2496 : 18 : Telmomarques

9 : 2496 : 17 : Pope712

10 : 2496 : 17 : Number1 Boss

11 : 2496 : 17 : Robbie

12 : 2496 : 16 : Jake

13 : 2493 : 16 : Drumgun

14 : 2496 : 15 : AlmostLost

15 : 2496 : 15 : Kngkyle

16 : 2496 : 15 : Season

17 : 2496 : 14 : Green098

18 : 2496 : 14 : Skiller 703

19 : 2496 : 14 : Simon

20 : 2496 : 14 : Athymy [/hide]

 

TOTAL VIRTUAL LEVEL

[hide]

VTotal : VRank : RS Total : RS Rank : Name

==============================================

3068 : 1 : 2496 : 1 : S U O M I

2992 : 2 : 2496 : 4 : Elvis

2983 : 3 : 2496 : 5 : Elias

2976 : 4 : 2496 : 3 : Jdelacroix

2956 : 5 : 2496 : 2 : Jake

2947 : 6 : 2496 : 8 : Kingduffy

2936 : 7 : 2496 : 6 : Telmomarques

2914 : 8 : 2496 : 12 : Da Broman1

2913 : 9 : 2493 : 1646 : Drumgun

2909 : 10 : 2477 : 3594 : Dapledo

2899 : 11 : 2496 : 7 : AlmostLost

2893 : 12 : 2496 : 11 : Pope712

2882 : 13 : 2496 : 10 : Kngkyle

2877 : 14 : 2496 : 18 : Season

2877 : 15 : 2496 : 21 : Robbie

2876 : 16 : 2496 : 15 : Number1 Boss

2864 : 17 : 2496 : 9 : Green098

2862 : 18 : 2496 : 14 : Skiller 703

2861 : 19 : 2482 : 2902 : Lan

2850 : 20 : 2496 : 20 : Piddy10 [/hide]

[Wertyue]

CREDIT GOES TO RACH ON MAXED FORUMS

 

 

XP Rank : Overall XP : RS Rank : Name

==============================================

 

1 : 2,966,583,923 : 1 : Elias

2 : 2,870,999,791 : 2 : Telmomarques

3 : 2,747,194,477 : 3 : Jdelacroix

4 : 2,680,000,000 : 1960 : Allar

5 : 2,673,412,318 : 4 : S U O M I

6 : 2,637,460,122 : 5 : Elvis

7 : 2,584,963,097 : 1034 : Drumgun

8 : 2,568,533,966 : 6 : Tezz

9 : 2,353,514,351 : 1035 : Zarfot

10 : 2,201,356,146 : 7 : Kingduffy

11 : 2,130,306,684 : 1961 : Paperbag

12 : 2,041,275,188 : 8 : Green098

13 : 2,019,028,235 : 8893 : Gertjaars

14 : 1,987,077,085 : 9 : Kngkyle

15 : 1,967,311,977 : 10 : Skiller 703

16 : 1,947,199,268 : 11 : Tg

17 : 1,873,035,901 : 12 : Pope712

18 : 1,872,032,688 : 2146 : Lan

19 : 1,854,472,388 : 1379 : Erw J

20 : 1,842,094,318 : 13 : 398573520683

21 : 1,834,426,053 : 14 : Number1 Boss

22 : 1,809,634,653 : 15 : Season

23 : 1,761,339,730 : 16 : Piddy10

24 : 1,697,328,578 : 17 : Da Broman1

25 : 1,673,020,294 : 2538 : J Jessie J

26 : 1,653,981,800 : 6075 : Simon

27 : 1,651,338,336 : 18 : Bryce

28 : 1,645,451,041 : 2189 : Dapledo

29 : 1,642,575,022 : 804 : 1 Eye Viper

30 : 1,596,800,174 : 1380 : Delta 81

31 : 1,588,599,891 : 1088 : Ry4n T05

32 : 1,560,428,417 : 3705 : Kemadorr

33 : 1,547,041,587 : 1383 : Lollypopx2

34 : 1,536,558,563 : 730 : Bing12342001

35 : 1,531,421,472 : 19 : Brad Ownesu

36 : 1,519,765,573 : 1459 : Kai856

37 : 1,509,827,217 : 2191 : Ox

38 : 1,501,735,808 : 20 : Robbie

39 : 1,500,719,214 : 979 : Mykey

40 : 1,498,857,887 : 21 : Paulrat3

41 : 1,498,495,647 : 22 : Auss

42 : 1,487,778,196 : 23 : Cynder76

43 : 1,473,389,018 : 24 : Squall

44 : 1,467,082,661 : 25 : Hegel

45 : 1,463,987,520 : 3116 : Enrix E B

46 : 1,461,089,146 : 5569 : Olivier404

47 : 1,460,764,070 : 26 : Zezima

48 : 1,458,805,977 : 8897 : Timlahaye

49 : 1,455,138,682 : 2729 : The Evil God

50 : 1,433,986,213 : 1962 : Wyvernrider4

51 : 1,430,429,059 : 27 : Jungle175

52 : 1,427,844,129 : 10562 : Toony

53 : 1,426,978,296 : 28 : Lowlander50

54 : 1,421,756,224 : 663 : Funihead

55 : 1,414,073,944 : 29 : JAN738

56 : 1,405,678,192 : 1685 : Serene9203

57 : 1,401,949,980 : 30 : Madgamer2

58 : 1,396,803,673 : 31 : Athymy

59 : 1,387,073,504 : 1152 : H Rassy

60 : 1,384,411,680 : 3471 : Klonki

61 : 1,380,555,706 : 664 : Hurt Goat

62 : 1,369,342,218 : 32 : Andy117

63 : 1,356,895,433 : 33 : Igneo

64 : 1,353,144,277 : 34 : Blaack Widow

65 : 1,342,626,010 : 35 : Geronimoh

66 : 1,341,374,743 : 36 : Dragonseance

67 : 1,320,051,644 : 37 : Somebodyy

68 : 1,314,008,081 : 731 : Mrs Tabs

69 : 1,313,979,639 : 38 : Buckeyeman69

70 : 1,313,378,347 : 39 : innie Mouse

71 : 1,304,282,441 : 40 : Alvi

72 : 1,298,886,490 : 924 : Tameelf

73 : 1,295,009,537 : 41 : Rach

74 : 1,289,832,780 : 863 : Nos

75 : 1,285,517,162 : 8354 : Sir Heiki

76 : 1,284,567,706 : 2191 : Be11e

77 : 1,281,508,560 : 42 : Desafino

78 : 1,279,997,329 : 1872 : Yey

79 : 1,274,645,714 : 43 : My Kingz

80 : 1,271,925,752 : 44 : Thefludragon

81 : 1,270,951,637 : 45 : TwistdAngel2

82 : 1,267,853,928 : 1686 : Spectral

83 : 1,264,139,137 : 763 : Yogosun

84 : 1,259,306,343 : 46 : Miss Tree

85 : 1,258,582,211 : 47 : Vorpal

86 : 1,254,908,494 : 48 : Endzeit

87 : 1,250,970,986 : 3183 : Pro Gamer

88 : 1,250,771,882 : 49 : Wisely Done

89 : 1,247,913,070 : 50 : Wtc Tiger

90 : 1,244,593,278 : 51 : Hehasnoidea

91 : 1,240,876,462 : 52 : wish i knew

92 : 1,237,381,514 : 54 : Spdavis

93 : 1,236,930,656 : 54 : Allie

94 : 1,232,775,391 : 864 : Kh510

95 : 1,232,698,371 : 732 : Elly Qt

96 : 1,228,757,595 : 1687 : Empror1

97 : 1,225,744,662 : 55 : Folk169

98 : 1,222,118,242 : 56 : Mastajef

99 : 1,220,673,224 : 57 : Mattie91

100 : 1,217,552,033 : 58 : Appels

 

 

 

 

Thanks Thai but can you/someone post this list too?

[rudes7]

 

I ivy when i absolutely cannot pay attention, for example in class. Today is a Monday and a prime example of the benefits of ivy (on a phone), I had class from 1:35 pm to 9:00 pm, got a 6hr log in that time I cut so much ivy, better than the past 2 months when i didn't even log in on Mondays.

 

Pretty sure rs isn't playable on a phone? Or is there something I'm missing

[Platinum_Myr]

Pretty sure rs isn't playable on a phone? Or is there something I'm missing

 

You just need a smart phone with java enabled. Not sure it would work great. but fairly sure it could be done...

[Penguin_]

 

I ivy when i absolutely cannot pay attention, for example in class. Today is a Monday and a prime example of the benefits of ivy (on a phone), I had class from 1:35 pm to 9:00 pm, got a 6hr log in that time I cut so much ivy, better than the past 2 months when i didn't even log in on Mondays.

 

Pretty sure rs isn't playable on a phone? Or is there something I'm missing

 

You use a VNC client to access a computer that runs rs. So basically you are just sending click coordinates and recieve images ^^ Therefore any smartish phone can do it.

[essiw]

 

I ivy when i absolutely cannot pay attention, for example in class. Today is a Monday and a prime example of the benefits of ivy (on a phone), I had class from 1:35 pm to 9:00 pm, got a 6hr log in that time I cut so much ivy, better than the past 2 months when i didn't even log in on Mondays.

 

Pretty sure rs isn't playable on a phone? Or is there something I'm missing

If you phone supports Java it is playable, also there are ways around it if it doesn't support java.