3rd Age/Spirit shields/Phats Discussion

[MrGandalf]

 

They're trying to get them to 22k. Ranks are dumping at 14k. I would sell around then. DOUBLE CHECK FOR YOURSELF, this is just a pal of mine who's friends with one of the generals telling me this.

 

 

Personally I'll just keep my brews... I have a few thousand but I can't be bothered with selling them.

[bleep]ing manipulator scumbag mother[bleep]ing [bleep]s. Why can't Jagex ban these [bleep]ing [wagon]? This doesn't personally affect me because I don't consume brews at a regular rate, but the premise of raising something that is very commonly used from around 6k each to 14k each (over DOUBLE its price) is [bleep]ing ludicrous. EVERYBODY suffers just so some greedy [bleep]ing back-stabbing nerds can make bank. [bleep] Jagex for making a system as fatally flawed as the GE and [bleep] these scumbags for taking advantage of it.

 

You mad bro?

No, he's right imo.

 

Price manipulation hurts everyone except the ranks of that particular cc.

(and maybe some taking advantage of temporary higher prices)

 

99% unhappy, 1% happy (among them some RWT'ers who bought ranks in that cc) -> wrong imo.

 

 

Also, judging by the amount of rares Mr. Gandalf has (if his sig is accurate), he's probably one of them. :rolleyes:

 

Been playing since 2001, obtained all my discontinueds in my sig, not counting multiples prior to '07. If you want someone to blame, look no further than Jagex. It's their flawed GE system that allows manipulators to take advantage of these flaws and Jagex is too lazy to do anything about it. I don't like manipulators any more than the next guy but I've been around long enough to see Jagex's ineptitude in trying to create a far market system.

 

Ah, well I apologize for assuming, then. And yes, I'd actually be very afraid if Jagex did say they were working on trying to fix the loopholes in the GE that allow price manipulation-- Jagex has repeatedly shown they know very little about simple economics, and would therefore be likely to [bleep] things up worse than they already are if they tried to implement a "fix."

 

Kudos to a fellow '01 player, though :thumbsup: I was around for the tradable discontinued drops (including crackers) but traded all mine away before the end of RSC.

 

Opening crackers was a fun day. I actually dropped my phats (had 8 or so) for bank spaces for quest items. I didn't play all that much during the RSC days, but bought a couple phats when RS2 came out and have upgraded/bought more ever since.

[Logdotzip]

Now obviously anything at this point would be speculation, but in the December BTS, Jagex plans on adding Damage Soaking to various armor pieces in game. The way they worded it, this will be different from Damage Reduction, A-La Divine and Elysian (Note the obvious omission of the two shields where they discuss it in the BTS).

 

However, I still see this affecting prices / street of both shields regardless.

 

Keep in mind, the somewhat difficult to obtain Dungeoneering shields have only 7% and 14% soaks on them, so I don't imagine the soaking they'll be adding to existing armor will be too high, unless they add new gear.

 

 

Any speculations on Divine and Ely?

[TheAncient]

ely will not nearly be as useful now i think.

[xlippsx]

It's amazing how much this game has changed since I left...

[ilovecuttingyews]

Well, if reduction and soaking are indeed different, then perhaps the SS's will have both? Not sure what that would do as for prices, but it would at least keep them usefull.

[Bladewing]

lol noticed the update today and I wonder if Jagex just accidentallyd spirit shields

thanks for the stunning and salient insight

[Hammertime]

I would immagine the spirit shields will still have lots of uses as jagex stated only damage splats over 200 will be affected. It also falls within reason that the shields were not intended to be the only damage reducers ever released and this may be a way to bring these advantages to the general public.

[Greg295]

Its uncommon for me to be hit over 200 consistantly pvming, and with what im guessing the very best armor will only block ~10% of damage i dought this will make divs and elys crash a good rate faster.

[Blyaunte]

ely will not nearly be as useful now i think.

 

Save and except for the fact that Jagex's programming doesn't necessarily run "true" to their "advertised specs" ... :unsure:

[Star_Fox]

ely will not nearly be as useful now i think.

 

Yeah me too. With so much dmg soaking possibilities, everything that mattered to elys and divines will all be forgotten.

[stonewall337]

ely will not nearly be as useful now i think.

 

Yeah me too. With so much dmg soaking possibilities, everything that mattered to elys and divines will all be forgotten.

 

Who says additional damage soaking ability will not be available to either the ely or the divine, or both? If the damage soaking is something added to shields, then it may well be able to be added to any shield.

[xpx]

 

Who says additional damage soaking ability will not be available to either the ely or the divine, or both? If the damage soaking is something added to shields, then it may well be able to be added to any shield.

Exactly my thoughts, although i think both ely and divine will be less useful(although they'll till be the most useful shields) from ~now on(also, it's worth noting that the damage reduction works for select combat classes, where as ely and divine both always work).

[MotherBrainII]

Any thoughts on what this update is likely to do to the Arcane's price, if anything?

[Quyneax]

Any thoughts on what this update is likely to do to the Arcane, if anything?

Virtually nothing, I'd imagine. It's mostly for the magic attack bonus anyway, which is hardly affected by this update. Though I suppose if items have combat triangle-based soak it may have no ranged soak and therefore be slighly less attractive to use as a tanking piece. But that's just speculation.

[BeNiceOk]

Any thoughts on what this update is likely to do to the Arcane's price, if anything?

 

It depends how the shield is set up with the damage soak update. If the arcane gets, say a 12% soak from melee attacks over 200, that would slightly raise the price. Although this may be trumped by the DFS which could have similar soaking abilities, and better melee stats to begin with. The same could be said for spectral. It's really hard to say how much of an impact the absorb update will have on prices of anything until we actually see the numbers they knock off.

 

Off-topic to Ely and Divine. Ely and Divine are, and always will be, prime MH'ing tools for high level solo'ers. Even if the every day Joe does not need the extra absorption from a Ely or Divine, Solo'ers will always covet these two shields since taking less damage is always better. The only situation where the shields would become useless is if you could get enough healing to not eat any food besides uni or bunyip via normal armor absorption. So I really cant see Ely or Divine being put on the shelf after the whole "pre-update, its gunna get nerfed!" craze is over. If they do drop, Ely will be the first to go. Divine is just to valuable as a MH weapon to fall below 400-500m. They might lose their street value though, but most of the street value is the shields rarity, and not its usefulness.

[joker2022]

Those shields are going to crash now.

 

 

Those owners will be putting thier money into other stable rares, until the shields stabilize again.

[Sir_Kurity]

ely will not nearly be as useful now i think.

 

Yeah me too. With so much dmg soaking possibilities, everything that mattered to elys and divines will all be forgotten.

 

Meh, they will either be increased, or still be the best damage soaking shields by quite a long shot.

 

Of course, they will still have the disadvantage of prayer drain, at least div will.

[Obtaurian]

ely will not nearly be as useful now i think.

 

Yeah me too. With so much dmg soaking possibilities, everything that mattered to elys and divines will all be forgotten.

 

Meh, they will either be increased, or still be the best damage soaking shields by quite a long shot.

 

Of course, they will still have the disadvantage of prayer drain, at least div will.

 

There used to be a great thread on the RSOF that proved mathematically that the divine's prayer drain is negligible. The only difference is a couple extra prayer potions (depending on what you're doing, of course).

 

My guess is that Elysians will be severely affected and Divines will be pretty safe, UNLESS both shields gain further damage reduction, which is possible.

[TheAncient]

Ely is going for cash+junk on rsof

 

I expect it to stabilize below 500M... it's WAY overpriced for its capabilities

[anonymouse_]

DFS is unbuyable at max. Ffs I waited too long :thumbdown:

[green9090]

DFS is unbuyable at max. Ffs I waited too long :thumbdown:

Aw damnit, knew that was gonna happen. Intended to merch them but waited too long.

[999134]

Cracker's price updated, does it only take 1 being sold for this to happen?

[sumondskull6]

DFS is unbuyable at max. Ffs I waited too long :thumbdown:

Aw damnit, knew that was gonna happen. Intended to merch them but waited too long.

 

They'll crash again in 2-3 days :thumbup:

[green9090]

DFS is unbuyable at max. Ffs I waited too long :thumbdown:

Aw damnit, knew that was gonna happen. Intended to merch them but waited too long.

 

They'll crash again in 2-3 days :thumbup:

Yeah I know, I'm just not sure if they'll get bought out again or as hard after that.

[sumondskull6]

DFS is unbuyable at max. Ffs I waited too long :thumbdown:

Aw damnit, knew that was gonna happen. Intended to merch them but waited too long.

 

They'll crash again in 2-3 days :thumbup:

Yeah I know, I'm just not sure if they'll get bought out again or as hard after that.

 

Eh, they will, they always do, it just wont be as much profit :(

(I was gonna do the same thing lol)