Ah ok, I guess I mixed up my storylines a bit, but stealing from Lucien wouldn't really mean you'd have to be powerful, as he was already a Mahjarret, it could have been a betrayal, but then again, if he was in Daemonheim for that long, I guess it didn't happen that way :P

Stealing from Lucien would mean you'd have to be VERY powerful. I can't take six tormented demons (you need at least divine for that) but Lucien summoned them in a few seconds, no prob. Similarly, all slayer masters together (+ assorted heroes) get beat up by Lucien's zombie summons. So I guess the only way would be to catch him off-guard, maybe Sliske could take him on, but fooling a Mahjarrat like Lucien would be very difficult.

 

(all this considering that a high-levelled player is stronger than a God Wars general)

Hmm, then maybe it's possible that Lucien is also at the bottom of Daemonheim, though it is unlikely. I just really feel that the Stone of Jas is the cause of the strange power somehow, but I guess we'll all have to wait and see.

 

Regardless of how it works out, I will stick with my theory of the white bearded man simply being Bilrach disguised in order to get Thok and the rewards guy out of Daemonheim

Ah ok, I guess I mixed up my storylines a bit, but stealing from Lucien wouldn't really mean you'd have to be powerful, as he was already a Mahjarret, it could have been a betrayal, but then again, if he was in Daemonheim for that long, I guess it didn't happen that way :P

Stealing from Lucien would mean you'd have to be VERY powerful. I can't take six tormented demons (you need at least divine for that) but Lucien summoned them in a few seconds, no prob. Similarly, all slayer masters together (+ assorted heroes) get beat up by Lucien's zombie summons. So I guess the only way would be to catch him off-guard, maybe Sliske could take him on, but fooling a Mahjarrat like Lucien would be very difficult.

 

(all this considering that a high-levelled player is stronger than a God Wars general)

Azzanadra is only one who is powerfull enough, well, Sliske might be, but Azzanadra was general of Zaros afterall

Also, knowing what we have learned from the Mahjarrat, they always like to 1-up each-other to make sure they are not food at the next ritual meeting. If Bilrach was already powerful enough to take the Stone of Jas, he would have extinguished Lucien a long time ago. As far as power goes we know Lucien is pretty much as high as you can go before godliness at the moment, so nobody can touch him.

 

A possibility is that Bilrach simply went "running to daddy" so-to-speak to try and release Zamoark from the rift before the others did. By doing this he would make himself appear "most loyal" to Zamoark and pretty much give him the ultimate protection against any challenges he had from other Mahjarrat.

 

The man with the white beard could be Bilrach himself, or really any Mahjarrat that had Zarosian sympathies who was tracking Bilrach. Slikse is also a possible contender too since Jagex said he would be more related to the lore than an actual quest line.

Ah ok, I guess I mixed up my storylines a bit, but stealing from Lucien wouldn't really mean you'd have to be powerful, as he was already a Mahjarret, it could have been a betrayal, but then again, if he was in Daemonheim for that long, I guess it didn't happen that way :P

Stealing from Lucien would mean you'd have to be VERY powerful. I can't take six tormented demons (you need at least divine for that) but Lucien summoned them in a few seconds, no prob. Similarly, all slayer masters together (+ assorted heroes) get beat up by Lucien's zombie summons. So I guess the only way would be to catch him off-guard, maybe Sliske could take him on, but fooling a Mahjarrat like Lucien would be very difficult.

 

(all this considering that a high-levelled player is stronger than a God Wars general)

Azzanadra is only one who is powerfull enough, well, Sliske might be, but Azzanadra was general of Zaros afterall

I mention Sliske because he is a master of disguise and stuff, so he might be able to avoid Lucien summoning stuff (after all, why summon a pack of tormented demons if there isn't anything to fight?). Iirc Lucien isn't so strong in melee combat, then again, maybe neither is Sliske.

Ah ok, I guess I mixed up my storylines a bit, but stealing from Lucien wouldn't really mean you'd have to be powerful, as he was already a Mahjarret, it could have been a betrayal, but then again, if he was in Daemonheim for that long, I guess it didn't happen that way :P

Stealing from Lucien would mean you'd have to be VERY powerful. I can't take six tormented demons (you need at least divine for that) but Lucien summoned them in a few seconds, no prob. Similarly, all slayer masters together (+ assorted heroes) get beat up by Lucien's zombie summons. So I guess the only way would be to catch him off-guard, maybe Sliske could take him on, but fooling a Mahjarrat like Lucien would be very difficult.

 

(all this considering that a high-levelled player is stronger than a God Wars general)

Azzanadra is only one who is powerfull enough, well, Sliske might be, but Azzanadra was general of Zaros afterall

I mention Sliske because he is a master of disguise and stuff, so he might be able to avoid Lucien summoning stuff (after all, why summon a pack of tormented demons if there isn't anything to fight?). Iirc Lucien isn't so strong in melee combat, then again, maybe neither is Sliske.

Sliske doesn't seem like the type of person to exude a "glowing white aura"

The only person I can think of with a distinctive white beard and glowing white aura would be Saradomin.

but why would Saradomin smuggle tainted items out of daemonheim (I am assuming the white bearded fremennik guy is the smuggler)

I think most likely this glowing white bearded man is probably some new character we haven't met yet.

Jagex has done that to us in the past. (hype up some vague character description, only to have it be someone we've never met)

 

Note that the final chronicle of Bilrach ends with "Zamorak be free"

Does that mean Zamorak is currently trapped somewhere?

I mean I think the dragon kin are trapped at the bottom of daemonheim.

But for what reason does Bilrach have to see the dragon kin?

From the journals, it looks like Bilrach is looking for his master.

 

Zamorak is definitely Bilrach's master. But are the dragon kin too? or are the dragon kin simply tied in with zamorak.

The storyline is definitely dragon kin related, but I get the vague feeling that it's Zamorak trapped at the bottom of Daemonheim.

great, this page of discussion has narrowed the white bearded man down between santa and brett favre

I lol'd. :thumbsup:

I think the white beard person is Wise old man. Wise old man has plans of stealing crystals from the realm of Elfs, so it wouldn't surprise me if he had such plans in other places, like Daimonheim. If not, it could be Lexcius runewright.

Sorry to divert from what has been turned into a discussion about who the white bearded man is but I need a place to rant.

So I've just had my 1st Mercenary Leader room, and the thing is [bleeping] impossible. They could have atleast scalled but noo, I'm expected to solo a level 204 boss that summons level 140 warriors in full primal and T11 mages and rangers. [bleeping] thing is [cabbage] :angry:

Wise old man has plans of stealing crystals from the realm of Elfs

He doesn't, actually.

Hmm... Thok almost has a white beard...

The Smuggler has a white/grey beard...

Hmm... Thok almost has a white beard...

The Smuggler has a white/grey beard...

Thok was the one who saw the white bearded man.

Wouldn't it be such a troll if he saw a mirror, and the reflection magically healed all of his and marmaros' wounds, erased their memories, then carried them back to the surface?

Hmm... Thok almost has a white beard...

The Smuggler has a white/grey beard...

Thok was the one who saw the white bearded man.

Wouldn't it be such a troll if he saw a mirror, and the reflection magically healed all of his and marmaros' wounds, erased their memories, then carried them back to the surface?

 

Or instead of a mirror, have Bilrach do it. :P

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Ah ok, I guess I mixed up my storylines a bit, but stealing from Lucien wouldn't really mean you'd have to be powerful, as he was already a Mahjarret, it could have been a betrayal, but then again, if he was in Daemonheim for that long, I guess it didn't happen that way :P

Stealing from Lucien would mean you'd have to be VERY powerful. I can't take six tormented demons (you need at least divine for that) but Lucien summoned them in a few seconds, no prob. Similarly, all slayer masters together (+ assorted heroes) get beat up by Lucien's zombie summons. So I guess the only way would be to catch him off-guard, maybe Sliske could take him on, but fooling a Mahjarrat like Lucien would be very difficult.

 

(all this considering that a high-levelled player is stronger than a God Wars general)

Azzanadra is only one who is powerfull enough, well, Sliske might be, but Azzanadra was general of Zaros afterall

I mention Sliske because he is a master of disguise and stuff, so he might be able to avoid Lucien summoning stuff (after all, why summon a pack of tormented demons if there isn't anything to fight?). Iirc Lucien isn't so strong in melee combat, then again, maybe neither is Sliske.

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Sliske doesn't seem like the type of person to exude a "glowing white aura"

I never meant to say that Sliske was 'the one', just that he would probably stand a decent chance of stealing from Lucien, which is almost entirely unrelated to this mysterious person.

I say it's Roddeck.

 

Don't ask me why or on what i base my suspicion upon, i just have a hunch it's him.

 

Wise old man maby? I mean its not like there are a lot of people with white beards.

 

And love my sneakerpeerer pet :thumbup: Just to bad you can't store baby versions in the managery :thumbdown:

 

My first guess was the WOM too, can't think of many other important NPCs with a long white beard.

 

The Wise Old Man is going to be like Brett Favre. Every time you think he's retired, he keeps coming back.

 

And after that he'll get in trouble for sending pics of his WOD to Miss Chism on his Scrying Orb.

 

Oh and if you don't know what WOD stands for, probably for the best.

id guess the smuggler

 

but i have suspicion that the smuggler is a much more powerful entity than most people think

id guess the smuggler

 

but i have suspicion that the smuggler is a much more powerful entity than most people think

 

i mean, he does have an infinite supply of novite battleaxes. dont wanna mess w that

id guess the smuggler

 

but i have suspicion that the smuggler is a much more powerful entity than most people think

 

i mean, he does have an infinite supply of novite battleaxes. dont wanna mess w that

 

lol

 

but really,

i know there is a lot of money to be had in this but would a fremnick really be this disloyal? not to mention HOW he gets all thouse items past the magical ness.

 

...could the smuggler me a Mahjarret in descise?

 

it would be an efective way to get to the bottem of the dungeion, getting a bunch of humans (with a bit of help) do it for him.

besdies, if thok and marm did get to the bottem, what stoped them for simply becomeing toast (possibly literally) at the raw power of who made the dungeion?

Wot about Lexicus Runewright he has a White Beard and a very likely connection between the memory loss.

 

The Hope Devourer must be Marm's hope loss.

 

 

More than likely the Divine Skinweaver and tow, Astea, Lexicus, Thok, Marm, and Bilrach met at the bottom.

Also, knowing what we have learned from the Mahjarrat, they always like to 1-up each-other to make sure they are not food at the next ritual meeting. If Bilrach was already powerful enough to take the Stone of Jas, he would have extinguished Lucien a long time ago. As far as power goes we know Lucien is pretty much as high as you can go before godliness at the moment, so nobody can touch him.

 

A possibility is that Bilrach simply went "running to daddy" so-to-speak to try and release Zamoark from the rift before the others did. By doing this he would make himself appear "most loyal" to Zamoark and pretty much give him the ultimate protection against any challenges he had from other Mahjarrat.

 

The man with the white beard could be Bilrach himself, or really any Mahjarrat that had Zarosian sympathies who was tracking Bilrach. Slikse is also a possible contender too since Jagex said he would be more related to the lore than an actual quest line.

This sounds more and more like Harry Potter

White bearded guy is Dumbledor

get on my level :shades:

Wot about Lexicus Runewright he has a White Beard and a very likely connection between the memory loss.

 

The Hope Devourer must be Marm's hope loss.

 

 

More than likely the Divine Skinweaver and tow, Astea, Lexicus, Thok, Marm, and Bilrach met at the bottom.

 

frost webb and runewright couldn't help. If you read their notes you'll see that they were tricked by bilrach into making the first few traps in the dungeon. They find out about it though and try to stop him. And fail. They were both put under a spell and forced to stay on seperat floors of the dungeon and guard bilrach. So not lexicus.

 

I've actually been thinking about daemonheim and the rift... Heres a thought. When did bilrach start exploring daemonheim?? We know that he summoned zamoraks general in the god wars but was he actually around durring the god wars when it started?? If he started exploring daemonheim before zammorak returned and started the god wars might he not even know about the edicts of guthix? Or even that zamorak returned already?

 

What if daemonheim is actually zaros fortress where he and zammy fought and both were banished. I mean, we know that zaros fortress is somewhere in the wild since that was the bulk of his empire but we never knew for sure where. If this is true then zammy isn't in the rift anymore... zaros is! Oh the irony if jagex has a mahrahajatt of zamorak thinking to help zamorak and instead frees zaros.

 

The smuggler could be silske. He is delving in the shadows of a long forgoten dungeon. But how did the second part go? Something about his actions being visable all over the world? The strange power was also felt all over the world. Might silske just be there to keep an eye on bilrach and make sure he releases zaros?

I've actually been thinking about daemonheim and the rift... Heres a thought. When did bilrach start exploring daemonheim?? We know that he summoned zamoraks general in the god wars but was he actually around durring the god wars when it started?? If he started exploring daemonheim before zammorak returned and started the god wars might he not even know about the edicts of guthix? Or even that zamorak returned already?

Bilrach's descent began in the year 1225 of the 4th age, whereas Zamorak's betrayal of Zaros began around the year 2000 of the second age. Bilrach's descent wasn't until after the God Wars were ended and the edicts of Guthix put into place around year 4000 of the third age.

I've actually been thinking about daemonheim and the rift... Heres a thought. When did bilrach start exploring daemonheim?? We know that he summoned zamoraks general in the god wars but was he actually around durring the god wars when it started?? If he started exploring daemonheim before zammorak returned and started the god wars might he not even know about the edicts of guthix? Or even that zamorak returned already?

Bilrach's descent began in the year 1225 of the 4th age, whereas Zamorak's betrayal of Zaros began around the year 2000 of the second age. Bilrach's descent wasn't until after the God Wars were ended and the edicts of Guthix put into place around year 4000 of the third age.

 

well there goes my theory :thumbdown: But then what exactly is the rift then and why does he think it can release zamorak?

Could be the World Gate that Guthix used at the dawn of the first age. It's hard to say.

I cant come up with an example at this point; but the closer something gets to the "source" it inherits some of its power

think runecrafting altars - take essence to altar, have them touch the altar and they get infused by its power

 

Blink is Bilrach assistent - gone crazy with Bilrach's "experiments with portals"

 

Maybe the portal to free zamorak isnt there already, but will be created by Bilrach; He just needs to be at teh center of some very magical place to be able to make such portal.

 

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and to whoever said Bilrach didnt actually create the floors in Daemonheim... he did!

In the notes it says he had his minions and followers dig for 2000 years straight - thats 60 floors of 10 times 10 rooms for ya :twisted: