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I just find it a shame that I missed out on the (potentially good) porn.

I was in class when I opened up the thread :( The people who sat behind me and looked over my shoulder probably think I'm some kind of sicko.

*Awkward silence and everyone looks awkwardly towards tripsis and she blushes more red then an tomato*

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There's a difference between using these boards every few hours rather than returning every few days/weeks for nostalgia. Because we do the former and feel that this site cannot keep up, we are splitting.

 

Although I think "you", (you being the people intent on telling everybody here that you are splitting) should know that there are different ways to go about it.

 

As mentioned before, there have been countless instances of disgruntled high profile players, much more high profile than the ones in this current conflict, leaving.

However, they did not get people to

1. Spam the forums with pornography.

2. Attempt to undermine the standing leadership.

3. Jump at any chance to advertise for their new community.

 

This is what I have seen in numerous posts in the past hours I have spent catching up to the current situation which leaves me with little to no respect for these people.

 

PM'ing mates and other people who obviously agree with onesselfs visions should suffice.

 

The self-importance certain people feel for themselves is the only reason they feel that loudmouthing on this forum is justified.

 

These actions and views don't reflect us as a community. I regret that they happened and I honestly tried to stop them.

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TBH, it is far from surprising that the people banned were the same ones that stopped posting on the Times thread when rules on that became a little stricter...

 

So the forum rules in general got stricter, any surprise that they stop posting there now too?

 

@Golvellius: your posts on this thread are probably spot on...

 

I'm not sad to see some of these people leave, and I also doubt that (and I quote) "half of the Tip.it forum" will leave over this...

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TBH, it is far from surprising that the people banned were the same ones that stopped posting on the Times thread when rules on that became a little stricter...

 

So the forum rules in general got stricter, any surprise that they stop posting there now too?

 

@Golvellius: your posts on this thread are probably spot on...

 

I'm not sad to see some of these people leave, and I also doubt that (and I quote) "half of the Tip.it forum" will leave over this...

Speaking from past experiences: cya around when you cooled your heels...

Only on TIF would users get banned for not being unpopular among moderators. If such a community is fine by any of you, enjoy it while it lasts(as i'm hopeful there will be changes around here in the coming days).

 

As for all that transpired, if even administrators(yes, multiple) say the bans that caused all this backlash were unwarranted, there isn't much to argue about who or what was wrong in the situation. To clarify this, I don't think ancient had anything to do with the spamming and i went to sleep hours before any of this even happent and woke up not knowing anything about it, thus it's fair to say that atleast the community is active and insightful enough to tell right from wrong and fight for those who no longer can themselves. If mods want to ban someone, go ahead, but please, do it on just ground, otherwise it's not good for any of us.

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I never said anything about failure.

Yes, you did. Not explicitly, but you did.

 

 

You know something is wrong when a huge, self proclaimed troll (Gollvelius) isn't banned, when helpful members of the community are.

 

What she is talking about is that stonecold fact that people have attempted countless times to make a forum derivation off of tip.it because of squabbles with mods or having other agenda's.

Some had even been mildly successful, having hundreds of users and existing for over a year. But none of them exist today.

 

You and the other guy brought up the word failure, my friend. But give it a month or two and alot of people will be forced to come to terms with reality.

 

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What she is talking about is that stonecold fact that people have attempted countless times to make a forum derivation off of tip.it because of squabbles with mods or having other agenda's.

Some had even been mildly successful, having hundreds of users and existing for over a year. But none of them exist today.

 

And thus, she talked about inevitable failure, inadvertently. I don't get where you're coming from.

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What she is talking about is that stonecold fact that people have attempted countless times to make a forum derivation off of tip.it because of squabbles with mods or having other agenda's.

Some had even been mildly successful, having hundreds of users and existing for over a year. But none of them exist today.

 

And thus, she talked about inevitable failure, inadvertently. I don't get where you're coming from.

 

One person is re-telling the history of the forums and the actions of others who have strived to create successful forums, feeding off of tip.it's member pool, and ultimately the consequences thereof.

 

But its nice to see that you can read between the lines and foresee a failure before it occurs.

 

There is a german word, schadenfreude. To take pleasure in the failure or ill-being of another. This isn't what Meili and I are doing or are hoping happens. We are merely telling what has happened in the past and voicing our scepticism over the current situation.

 

As for interpreting it into a failure, you are free to do what you will, but understand our skepticism and where we are coming from since you now know.

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I think the mods are doing a great job personally, I think there's way too much trolling and flaming going on these days, so I have no problem with what they're doing with the new rules

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Only on TIF would users get banned for not being unpopular among moderators. If such a community is fine by any of you, enjoy it while it lasts(as i'm hopeful there will be changes around here in the coming days).

 

Serious? If that were true, MANY Players would be banned. Weather its Crew, Admin, TET, Mods; Singularity doesn't come into it amongst others. I don't expect someone who's only been here 2 months to understand. If you care to discuss said opinion, PM me cause I can see this threads starting to de-rail.

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TBH, it is far from surprising that the people banned were the same ones that stopped posting on the Times thread when rules on that became a little stricter...

 

So the forum rules in general got stricter, any surprise that they stop posting there now too?

 

@Golvellius: your posts on this thread are probably spot on...

 

I'm not sad to see some of these people leave, and I also doubt that (and I quote) "half of the Tip.it forum" will leave over this...

Speaking from past experiences: cya around when you cooled your heels...

 

Careful not to misquote me there.

 

When I said "half the TIF forum leaving," I was using that in a hypothetical sense.

 

I was just illustrating that having ANY amount of people leaving and making a second, unaffilliated site will cause BOTH sites to be weaker than if the site stayed united.

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I'm sorry if any of the things I said last night offended anybody.

PM me in game anytime

 

It's a lot easier then that for an idiot to sound smart on the internet.

 

That's exactly what you're doing right now... just saying.

 

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This forum desperately needs an open forum where the RULES DON'T APPLY (e.g. a sticky in General Discussion, no, NOT anywhere else as it would just fade into obscurity,) where issues such as this can be addressed openly. That will limit the damage to the whole board when issues like this do arise, and will provide these people who have complaints with a legitimate area in which they can present their evidence.

I hope you're not serious here. Rules aren't here to limit people they are here to protect people. No trolling is needed to prevent discussions of getting into a stalemate with emotional arguments and never finding a good conclusion. As I said countles times: if you can't get your point across within the rules here, you should mayb rethink about your point: is it actually good? - I don't have arguments of why it is good. Also not having rules creates an atmosphere where not the one with the best arguments wins: but the one with the most friends.

 

 

On top of that: if you think many people are in need of a forum which has complete unruled discussion boards, feel free to create one. If there's a "market" for this people will come and it will be succesful, no one is holding you back!

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I think admins in general have been doing a great job, hell they even admit they have been doing something wrong now.

I honestly see why you are spiting from the community rather than working on it. It seams to me that they are willing to listen now.

 

As for the no rules forum suggested, i think it would be best to keep such forums separated from tif, honestly i can not see a community that allows anyone to join work without rules.

 

a side not, all these topics about tif being filled with spam are starting to look like spam to me, and comparing to other forums iw seen, tif has less spam/real posts. well as long as you don't count forums that get 1 post/week :)

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I've tried to get away from posting on this matter. In-fact - I've only posted once on the other thread before this matter spiraled out of control. Now that its "mostly" over and I've scanned though most of the threads and this thread, there are a few points I would like to add.

 

The Tip-It community has always been better than other fan-sites for one simple reason. Tip-It is not better because of its size or being a "biggest fan-site". Tipit is not better because of its resources or being a "knowledgeable fan-site". Tip-It is better because it is a respectable community where anyone is accepted and treated equally with respect.

 

In my opinion, over the past few months, Admins have been more than lenient for letting disrespectful acts such as excessive criticism and elitism happen for the sake of allowing people to express their own person opinions. Now, the Administration has finally said enough is enough, and is cracking down on the "disrespectful" behavior.

 

Look at yourself. Look at this thread. How many posts on here do you see that are sarcastically rude? How many posts here are attempting to troll? I can easily count almost 1 on every page.

 

From my point of view, the "said accused" have not shown any justice for themselves by resorting to spamming and terrorizing threads over the past 24 hours. In my seat, it looks like this only solidifies the point that the "said accused" have no self control and resort to immature behavior when they don't get their way.

 

I am not an administrator, so I am not here to judge you. But what I do want you to take away is this:

 

Tip-It has always been a great community because of the people working cooperatively and calmly together. If you were banned because you have been asked several times to stop something, yet continue, you are spitting at the face of that cooperation. Posting on these forums is a Privilege, not a Right.

 

It doesn't matter if you have a fancy colored name or not, E-bullying and other forms of "disrespectful" behavior only bring down this community. While it may be "unjust" to some, future strict discipline of this behavior is needed to keep everyone from assuming the behavior is acceptable to admin and poster alike.

 

In this case, it's certainly not what you say, but how you go about saying it.

 

Note: This is not just a notice to "those accused" but to all posters here (including myself).

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Tipit is not better because of its resources or being a "knowledgeable fan-site".

 

Have you ever skimmed through another Runescape fansite? This is exactly why Tip.it is better than most others. Not the main site itself, but the guides in the AOW, the H&A sub-forum, and some of the discussions that take place in GD. It'd be foolish to insist that a fairy unicorn community is at all useful to a gaming forum without CONTENT. Take away the content and your forum is useless to both the average and hardcore gamer.

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A significant amount of knowledge has left Tip.It, you can see the removed guides in the AOW. I don't like it regardless of the cause.

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From my point of view, the "said accused" have not shown any justice for themselves by resorting to spamming and terrorizing threads over the past 24 hours. In my seat, it looks like this only solidifies the point that the "said accused" have no self control and resort to immature behavior when they don't get their way.

That is a bogus accusation. I'd really love to see the proof that people that were wrongfully banned were behind any of this further rulebreaking. That part of your post is very much insensible flame and shows you are as much in the wrong here as anyone. Weather you want to believe it or not, the backlash came from the community, so it really shows that there are people who genuinly care. I doubt being friendly towards everything is what alot of the people here look for and really wouldn't make tif in any way special.

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At the risk of another argument, I'll keep it short.

And I'm not talking to you specifically but in general..

 

Knowledge is useless without the self control to apply it. If people have no respect when giving the knowledge, it negatively effects everyone and disrupts cooperation and communication. Cooperation and communication are the two fundamental points of a fan-site's forums, because without either nobody can do anything. Increase in Knowledge is an added bonus that brings more people to your forum.

 

That being said.. Loss of knowledge is never a good thing, but it doesn't matter if you know every single fact about a game... If you can't be respectful on the knowledge you give, you destroy any chance of civil interaction with other users, which is what a forum is all about.

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A forum without rules? Only if it's not open! That's not a good idea for Tip It but it's a good idea for another forum.

 

One time we had a pking forum for pkers and it was also fun. Flame-filled post wars and such were on there every few hours but come on, it was all about pking, what would you expect? Actually the feeling on Tip It at the time was "they all left. good riddance to those flaming fools!" Admins here practically did a dance of joy. All the trolls left to join the no-rules forums.

 

I also recall we had a private invitation-only forum (not on Tip It), twice. This was for all the "good" posters only. Why doesn't someone make a new forum like that instead of a big, open forum any *cough* person can join?

 

I never said anything about failure.

Yes, you did. Not explicitly, but you did.

 

That's your interpretation.

 

*shrugs* I honestly did not mean it that way but if that's the way you chose to take it then that's your call. As I have said, I have personally joined break off groups lol (three time that I can recall) and I wish your group well. It's no skin off my back, I have nothing to lose or gain here.

 

Basicaly I have two points that I want to cover:

 

1.) People have broken off from Tip IT before, it's nothing to cry or be alarmed by. Just let them go.

 

Bye, guys and good luck.

 

2.) On the other hand, Tip It has, in the past, killed off one of their own forums because they alienated an entire segment of the RS player base. I'm talking about the clans. That was years ago and the clan forums here are still dead up to now.

 

Tip It is not the only forum and if you focus on the rules instead of the user experience here then they will simply go off and find a better place - like what has happened in the past.

 

So yeah, let those who want a different forum have their fun. Just make sure you give the posters here what they want.

 

BTW, I am not in favor of the increased moderation.

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Tipit is not better because of its resources or being a "knowledgeable fan-site".

 

Have you ever skimmed through another Runescape fansite? This is exactly why Tip.it is better than most others. Not the main site itself, but the guides in the AOW, the H&A sub-forum, and some of the discussions that take place in GD. It'd be foolish to insist that a fairy unicorn community is at all useful to a gaming forum without CONTENT. Take away the content and your forum is useless to both the average and hardcore gamer.

 

Being knowledgeable is a reason why Tip.It is better than other fansites, not the reason. I've enjoyed my time on these forums since 2004-- long before it was the leader in up-to-date advanced information.

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I'm not disappointed with anyone.

 

I am however, thoroughly disgusted with some of the stuff I saw posted here last night. People who got banned for that stuff deserve it, and good riddance. You won't be missed.

 

I get so sick of people offering advice with an iron fist instead of a smile. People taking pictures and posting them here to make fun of what they are wearing or how they are training. Spend the effort to offer them advice instead of publicly ridicule. If a handful of these people "quit" tif due to these bannings, then GOOD.

 

Tip.it will go on.

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