4th March - The World Wakes

[Will H]

Wow-lite: Cataclysm

Quest was good but EOC is really pissing me off.

Especially, since I have been playing 07 extensively.

I died several times, not because the battles were hard but because abilities are stupid and the interface sucks.

You can't cancel out of abilities, so I'm "destroy"ing armadyl and out come some tornadoes and bam dead.

Same with the automatons.

You can't just use momentum because you have build up adrenaline which is stupid and not to mention I think one of the random abilities involves a combo move which locks you in place again.

The game has lost all fluidity.

Now I understand why a ton of people quit...

Go practice EoC in some slayer tasks first. They're boss battles, tests of your understanding of how combat works. To get you started, don't use Momentum in a boss battle, it's used for long killing sprees and training. Don't use combo moves when you need to move around. Fluidity doesn't mean "every tactic works", you need to adapt your fighting to the scenario.

[NetMaster]

[spoiler=Spoilers]Okay so I've gotten to the point of the quest where I have to choose between 3 options. Obviously I'm not siding with Saradomin and Zammy to kill Guthix. I'm torn between saving Guthix and waking him. So to this end I NEED SPOILERS!

 

I want to hear from: someone who chose to save Guthix, and someone who decided to wake him.

Mainly I want to know the reactions of:

 

Azzandra and Juna to choosing the opposing side.

 

So please tel me: What Juna says if you side with Zaros

 

and what Azzandra says if you side with Guthix.

 

 

Thank you.

Edited March 5, 2013 by Kimberly
Seriously guys at least give it 3 days. Added spoiler tags.

[Octarine]

Nice name bro.

 

But yeah, talking to Ezk and he's saying people are saying that a lot of quests that were ingame before TWW are set after it.

My brain is currently exploding from ignorance.

 

I don't think there's any quests that *have* to be set after it. Quests like ROTM/WGS/Void/char etc are all set before TWW, since TWW starts the sixth age.

 

So, playing TWW before completing one of those quests means that your character has already experienced the previous quests, however you just haven't seen it. If you complete the quests after TWW, they can be assumed to be played as a form of flashback.

 

Aside from the slight staff of armadyl problem (though silske could have just fixed the staff somehow) everything ties up nicely really. There are a few other quests that happen independently of TWW and it's pre-requisites, however I guess they can be assumed to take place at any time. It's probably easier to assume they took place during the fifth age too, though it doesn't really matter.

 

@Netmaster: The outcome is the same regardless. Go with whichever you feel is right :)

Edited March 5, 2013 by Octarine

[xpx]

 

Okay so I've gotten to the point of the quest where I have to choose between 3 options. Obviously I'm not siding with Saradomin and Zammy to kill Guthix. I'm torn between saving Guthix and waking him. So to this end I NEED SPOILERS!

 

I want to hear from: someone who chose to save Guthix, and someone who decided to wake him.

Mainly I want to know the reactions of:

 

Azzandra and Juna to choosing the opposing side.

 

So please tel me: What Juna says if you side with Zaros

 

and what Azzandra says if you side with Guthix.

 

 

Thank you.

As far as i'm aware of, it doesn't matter one bit what you choose(to things in general, i mean).

Edited March 5, 2013 by Kimberly

[NetMaster]

It will most likely matter in later quests. Remember how Juna scorned Zanik, I don't want to have to endure that whenever I go do tears of Guthix.

 

I'm aware that the quest ends the same regardless of path. I'm more concerned about later quests and dialouges based on my decisions in this quest.

[Estoc]

Saw people posting before about a weapon used in a cutscene (hope that's cryptic enough...)

 

 

I spoke to Azzanadra after the quest and asked where Sliske got the Staff of Armadyl, he says

 

"I suppose he must have lingered at the ritual site. A foolish decision if you ask me; the dragonkin are not an enemy to be played with."

 

 

 

So it's true. By lingered he must mean "gone into a cave" and the "foolish decision" must have been killing glacors.

 

[jayc3399]

Has anyone looked at Fero rings to see if the buff makes them worth while?

 

 

Saw people posting before about a weapon used in a cutscene (hope that's cryptic enough...)

 

 

I spoke to Azzanadra after the quest and asked where Sliske got the Staff of Armadyl, he says

 

"I suppose he must have lingered at the ritual site. A foolish decision if you ask me; the dragonkin are not an enemy to be played with."

 

 

 

So it's true. By lingered he must mean "gone into a cave" and the "foolish decision" must have been killing glacors.

 

 

 

Isn't the Staff of Armadyl different from Armadyl's Battle Staff?

[Kimberly]

Well then if you're asking us to be fortune tellers...We've got no idea.

 

The whole purpose of the choices is to give your avatar shell a semblance of a personality, uniqueness. Pick your dialogue choices accordingly.

 

 

So it's true. By lingered he must mean "gone into a cave" and the "foolish decision" must have been killing glacors.

 

 

 

 

Or perhaps he lingered to talk with them. Having never touched the stone nor allied with Lucien, maybe they were more amenable to talking with him - especially if he had laid out a plan that would allow him to kill another Stonetoucher. Trusting the Kin is all around a foolish decision, and the only way he would've been able to communicate is if he stayed behind after everyone fled.

 

[Estoc]

Has anyone looked at Fero rings to see if the buff makes them worth while?

 

 

Saw people posting before about a weapon used in a cutscene (hope that's cryptic enough...)

 

 

I spoke to Azzanadra after the quest and asked where Sliske got the Staff of Armadyl, he says

 

"I suppose he must have lingered at the ritual site. A foolish decision if you ask me; the dragonkin are not an enemy to be played with."

 

 

 

So it's true. By lingered he must mean "gone into a cave" and the "foolish decision" must have been killing glacors.

 

 

 

Isn't the Staff of Armadyl different from Armadyl's Battle Staff?

 

 

The orb that you collect from Glacors is from the Staff of Armadyl, we just attach it to a battlestaff instead of the original Staff of Armadyl.

 

[Troacctid]

It will most likely matter in later quests. Remember how Juna scorned Zanik, I don't want to have to endure that whenever I go do tears of Guthix.

 

I'm aware that the quest ends the same regardless of path. I'm more concerned about later quests and dialouges based on my decisions in this quest.

I sided with Azzanadra and

 

 

all the Guardians of Guthix were like "NOOOOO! How could you betray us? We trusted you! T_T" And the mahjarrat were all like "Bwahaha suckers, we sure tricked you, didn't we? Noobs!" And then you get the chance to try to explain that you only want to wake Guthix so you can talk (there are other dialogue options too) but the Guardians are all "Don't be stupid! You don't know what you're doing!" And then they start throwing rocks and giant purple energy boulders all over the place.

 

After it's all over, they're willing to forgive you, chalking up your choice as misguided but not malicious.

 

[NetMaster]

Okay so basically the correct way to choose is to side with the Guardians of Guthix.

[Thus]

Okay so basically the correct way to choose is to side with the Guardians of Guthix.

Pretty much this.

 

Char just tells you not to preach any Guthix crap to her, but will still offer to train you in FM.

Azzanadra and Wahisietel will be a bit disappointed, but will still regard you as an ally and are more happy about Zaros to really care.

[Sy_Accursed]

Okay so basically the correct way to choose is to side with the Guardians of Guthix.

Pretty much this.

 

Char just tells you not to preach any Guthix crap to her, but will still offer to train you in FM.

Azzanadra and Wahisietel will be a bit disappointed, but will still regard you as an ally and are more happy about Zaros to really care.

 

I would disagree any choice is fine - all the npcs with extra post-quest dialogue still treat you the same as before really because regardless of what happens their gods can come back, you are a Guthix Guardian AND you are the uber special chosen one with the god-proofing from Guthix.

[Sylpheed]

Just got Tracker gloves drop. Anyone know how much they're going for? Not sure whether to sell them or not.

 

Edit: Sold for 28m.

[Ginger_Warrior]

I think the multitude of bugs and glitches found in Skyrim prove just how hard it is for game designers to accommodate for personal choices in major storylines in an RPG setting. I won't bag on Jagex for not making the choices as open-ended as most people would have liked or expected. Apart from that, if they had brought in full choice and this had impacted on the quest rewards available (say you chose Guthix, and Char tells you to do one after) there'd be no end to the whining on RSOF and here.

 

For the most part, the quest was an exercise in making you feel as though you were key to the future direction of the world. Previous quests have been more about you, a normal civilian turned adventurer, happening to be at the right place at the right time, accidentally stumbling from one disaster to the next but somehow getting through it. They left the impression that anyone capable enough, given the same set of circumstances, would have performed just as well. TWW is the first time the player character is shown to be a hero in his/her own right, someone on whom the whole story pivots on their actions and choices.

[Sylpheed]

That's why the ports storylines were so well received too. The NPC's treat the PC as an already established and well known individual instead of some random who just happened upon a crumbling business.

[Huge Noob]

 

Man, I made it through 11 pages of replies in about 5 minutes due to not reading all the hide tags since I haven't done the quest (although thanks to brushing through some live stream videos on YouTube I already know Guthix dies, but that's about it. :P) Seems I need to log in and get my QPC back!

 

 

You literally put the biggest spoiler outside of spoiler tags and ruined that plot piece for me. I had been avoiding reading the hide tags as well.

 

Ass

 

Sorry, didn't think to put them in but really.....

 

 

If you don't want the quest plot spoiled, don't read the thread where 99% of discussion is going to be about the quest...

 

Seriously, having to put every post in hide tags is stupid.

 

I agree with this.

 

OT: (Hidden just in case someone fells it should be)

I've completed the quest now and quite frankly I loved it. The lore was awesome and the people that you fight are somewhat challenging, but really with all the stuff added to aid you they're not all that bad. The rewards are crazy big given what you have to complete. One thing I was wondering though, did anyone take in to account that this quest is the 199th quest to be released (according to the Adventurer's Log). If Jagex did what they did for the 199th quest, I wonder what they'll do for the 200th quest, if anything...

 

[Miss Lioness]

 

Man, I made it through 11 pages of replies in about 5 minutes due to not reading all the hide tags since I haven't done the quest (although thanks to brushing through some live stream videos on YouTube I already know Guthix dies, but that's about it. :P) Seems I need to log in and get my QPC back!

 

 

You literally put the biggest spoiler outside of spoiler tags and ruined that plot piece for me. I had been avoiding reading the hide tags as well.

 

Ass

 

Sorry, didn't think to put them in but really.....

 

 

If you don't want the quest plot spoiled, don't read the thread where 99% of discussion is going to be about the quest...

 

Seriously, having to put every post in hide tags is stupid.

 

I agree with this.

 

OT: (Hidden just in case someone fells it should be)

I've completed the quest now and quite frankly I loved it. The lore was awesome and the people that you fight are somewhat challenging, but really with all the stuff added to aid you they're not all that bad. The rewards are crazy big given what you have to complete. One thing I was wondering though, did anyone take in to account that this quest is the 199th quest to be released (according to the quest list). If Jagex did what they did for the 199th quest, I wonder what they'll do for the 200th quest, if anything...

 

 

That is how the A-log counts, but actually it is the 188th Quest =d...

[SwreeTak]

I decided to do this quest on release after all the hype. It was the first quest I did so close to it having been released. An Epic Grandmaster quest, Jagex called it. Gamechanging and a huge impact on future updates made me wonder what this quest was really all about. I couldn't afford missing this quest, I was told. As I have just barely done 60% of the quests in the game (even though my total level is now over 2,2k and I am 7 years into playing the game) I didn't expect to understand exactly everything in it. I have pretty much only done the few start quests of those storylines that many here seems to think should be required to do this quest. Basic understanding quests like Desert Treasure and the Digsite, for example.

 

This lack of GM quest experience didn't stop me, a bit surprisingly, from understanding the far most of what went on in this quest though. I won't write what happens here and comment a huge lot on the content since I don't want to ruin the surprise for someone else. I am also too lazy to put in a lot of those spoiler tags. I will instead just here state that even though I am no quest master (and I doubt I will be anytime soon) and I am far from a RS lore expert...To play this quest was for sure the best overall gaming experience I have had in years. I don't know where to start to tell you all how amazing I found this quest. It contains all the necessary elements of a true fantasy world (well, perhaps not the romance, but, well, perhaps that come further in the questline...Zilyana + some nice other badass boss guy? ;) ).

 

With the details and scenery in the questarea Jagex have created a world within a world. I was pulled into it as soon as I had spoken to Orlando Smith. The music that I let out in my headphones was a perfect match to the visual impressions and the shiftings in the plot. The many twists and turns, the challenges, the tough times and the happy times, the feeling of success and the feeling of failure (yes, I died a few times)...All this combined with the incredibly importance and "feel of a touch of destiny".

 

To me this quest truly shows that Jagex really are fond of the Runescapian lore. They have shown their skills in development, and even though this quest have a few bugs that I accidently encountered, it is the best piece of content in this game this far according to me.

If you are just going to play one quest this year, awake the world. This quest is Epic and deserves all the hype it have got before and under its release. I didn't think I would go this far when I started to write this post. I almost forbid myself to do so. But now I do so anyway: The build of this quest of RuneScape is as close to perfection as you can come.

 

I am eagerly awaiting to see what unfolds in the future. I am sure of that I am also not the only one. Jagex, for me, you can skip those new skills...Go work on the sequel already :)

 

 

Did anyone side with Saradomin? I feel like most people sided with the Zarosians and a few with the Guthaxians.

 

 

As a reply to that above post:

 

 

I chose Saradomin, since I am and have always been a follower of him. If you or/and wants to know more about the plot and so when you have chosen to follow and help Saradomin, contact me here or in game (RSN: Swedishboy7). I would be happy to help!

 

[NetMaster]

swedishboy5, congrats..you understand the true purpose of the game.

[Tansuo]

Don't know if it was mentioned before.. but why did we need Branches of Darkmeyer for additional rewards?

[Sy_Accursed]

Don't know if it was mentioned before.. but why did we need Branches of Darkmeyer for additional rewards?

 

Because full rewards moves the game forward to the 6th age, certainly events need to of happened.

[Thus]

Don't know if it was mentioned before.. but why did we need Branches of Darkmeyer for additional rewards?

 

Because full rewards moves the game forward to the 6th age, certainly events need to of happened.

 

I wonder how the quest looks/ends to someone who has done no quests whatsoever.

[Sy_Accursed]

Don't know if it was mentioned before.. but why did we need Branches of Darkmeyer for additional rewards?

 

Because full rewards moves the game forward to the 6th age, certainly events need to of happened.

 

I wonder how the quest looks/ends to someone who has done no quests whatsoever.

 

Exactly the same, the quests just get you the title, slayer dungeon and '6th age circuit' (which is our indicator of the year/age having moved on) from what people have said anyways.

 

Though logic-wise it would be very problematic.

1) Juna recognising you - How's that without ToG?

2) The Crux Eqal - Again how without right quests?

3) Sliske - Treating you like you met before, again how without rotm

4) Azzandra, Enhkara, Anthankos, Wahisitel and Char - how without the right quests to free them/reveal them?

 

All in all it really seems like aside from 140cmb the base quest should really require ROTM + Firemaker's Curse + ToG (don;t think it appears in rotm reqs) just to make all the npcs make sense.

[aspeeder]

Ok, one thing I'm not getting about the time splitting: you train your skills in the present and get better items in order to complete things that happened in the past? March 4th 2013, the day the dragon broke.