Why does everyone hate................pures and pc....?

[JimmyMcNabb]

I dislike most pures because they are arrogant lil people... I don't hate pures I just hate the arrogance of certain players some of whom are pures.

 

 

 

I don't hate pc products either, I just feel that they've missed out on the joys of slayer and other things by power training their combat skills. I feel this is a common attitude which is often mistaken for hatred.

[mugged99]

I think pc is disliked because lvl 99 combat stats have become sort of a 'fletching' type of area...everyone seems to have them

[Dragon_lord]

Pures and Pest Control Products.

 

 

 

Honestly I think those people are some of the smartest people in the game. :) Rather than wasting their time getting those levels or combat stats "legitimately" they do things their own way and seem to be pretty damn good at it too.

 

 

 

 

 

People talk about "respect" all the time. I respect people smart enough to level up in half the time it takes another person to do the same, I respect people who stake people twice their combat level and win. So why all the hating

 

 

 

You're way off mate. Only a handful of people deserve to be respected, the ones who found this trainning method. These pures are just going "money see monkey do" and are doing nothing smarter than mimicing those who found the trainning method.

[Numer0_un0]

I have nothing against PC products NOW, because believe me, it isn't the insane exp it was, and is easy to get bored, doing it over and over and over... :ohnoes:

 

 

 

I do not like pures because they cheat the combat system, they usually drop trade, and they usually are snobs to anybody nonpure or just anybody.

[dynastyfan0]

It is much different now, and isn't as fast xp which most people know.

 

Here are my thoughts, and please remeber that I am currently pcing for hours a day working on my box staking pure

 

 

 

I usually get about 100 hits a game at 40/40/40

 

Thanks only 400 xp a game + 77 xp for hits.

 

I use all my tickets on hits, because thats my edge in staking, most stakers have below average hits, if i have above averge, ill win, and people don't usually look, and hits are so valuable in box staking.

 

 

 

I think this is much slower and more tedious than training other ways for my low lvl, but will be worth it in the long run.

 

 

 

I don't hate pure that don't act like absolute jerks, which you can see in w22 easily, just ask for a fun stake :XD:

 

 

 

I also don't have a problem with pc now, because its much more challenging, and it has taken me about 2 and a half days to get 250 pts

[FooK-A-Ji]

i own all pures with magic and prayer.

 

and i dont meet pest control products on f2p and if i do they are newblike.

 

so all in all I have no problem with either "products".

[boxer5543]

I think that the only reason people have problems with pures is just, because most people have bad experiences fighting pures in the wildy when they are wearing stuff that they don't want to loose or when staking and they think that they are going to win so they stake big and loose. Thats why most people don't like pures.

[Mat]

I think that the only reason people have problems with pures is just, because most people have bad experiences fighting pures in the wildy when they are wearing stuff that they don't want to loose or when staking and they think that they are going to win so they stake big and loose. Thats why most people don't like pures.

 

 

 

no, i don't think anyone with a good defence level is going to lose to pures anymore. Pures "owned" a long time ago, not they are just annoying people.

 

 

 

They always run away from people with armour, they only want to fight other pures.THey don't own they suck. :P

 

 

 

That is why i got 45 defence on my pure :-w , even i preffer to fight people without defence, eaiser to KO =P~

[FooK-A-Ji]

I think that the only reason people have problems with pures is just, because most people have bad experiences fighting pures in the wildy when they are wearing stuff that they don't want to loose or when staking and they think that they are going to win so they stake big and loose. Thats why most people don't like pures.

 

 

 

no, i don't think anyone with a good defence level is going to lose to pures anymore. Pures "owned" a long time ago, not they are just annoying people.

 

 

 

They always run away from people with armour, they only want to fight other pures.THey don't own they suck. :P

 

 

 

That is why i got 45 defence on my pure :-w , even i preffer to fight people without defence, eaiser to KO =P~

 

 

 

Your right. Rs2 pures are nowhere near as dangerous and flawless as Rs1 pures.

 

In fact the whole concept of "pures" and what is pure has been raped and pillaged by Rs2'ers.

 

 

 

Such as a "magic pure" and a "range pure". uhh what is that?

 

 

 

The whole combat system is altered as well. And no one seems to know the right combat levels put together , since there seems not to be one.

 

 

 

Old system : 4 str levels over att, att 4 levels over def. that was the recipe of pure ownage. now there is none.

 

 

 

magic and ranged have been altered to be just as worthy opponents , downgrading the abilities of melee pures as well.

[Maximusa]

Because too many level 120-126's cb characters appeared in the game after pc. SOMETHING made it easier.. It must of been pc! Its the highscores that reflect this. Their are too many 126's characters that have no soul or skill in the game. They think they are better than all the 1-119's cb characters.. they dont know how to play other aspects of the game.

 

 

 

I have spoken to or seen many 120-126's characters (There are generally atleast two of them wherever I train) and they dont know how to train their skills or make money. I have had some ask directions and how to do obvious stuff? It scares me. :ohnoes: I never had this before pc? They talk different.. childish.

 

 

 

I dont know but since pc things have gone downhill.. Most people looked up to 126's for advice etc. Now if you speak to them they are.. well.. idiots? Alot of them can be rude. Atleast alot of 110-120 characters are very rude to me. Obviously this is because they think they are better than me, they cant see my true 'total' level that can *bleep* them back to tutorial island.

 

 

 

Before pc I spoke to 126's because I KNEW they bested my total. I knew they must be clever intelligent people who I could learn from. I looked up to them. I could speak to them and have a decent conversation. Nowadays I dont need to check, I KNOW I beat them hands down everytime. Its saddening.. I nearly always beat their freaking slayer level too?! :?: :?:

 

 

 

Pc destroyed an important social role in the game.

 

 

 

I also agree with this new runecraft update making things easy but the difference is.. a 126 was someone you looked up to. People will respect and copy what 126 does and the more rude players that become 120+ the worse the community will become.

 

 

 

As for pures.. they smell funny. :-w

[Soma2035]

Not much to say about PC products anymore.

 

 

 

Pure melee builds are a good way to start a character, as they shine in f2p. Defence does not convince me, at all. A lot of people would disagree with me, and tell me hearsay about how defence defeated the pure. I think defence is very useful in many situations. In melee combat, defence simply does not keep up with the other two. Let armour and food take care of your defence. As a character grows and becomes p2p, the pure build slowly becomes obsolete, but elements remain, such as low defence. It's only logical to max out strength and attack before maxing out defence. It's only logical to keep prayer at 70, or as low as possible without gaining levels, up until all three melee stats are maxed. It's only logical to have a high ranged level in order to have the best amount of hp possible. Intelligent leveling, that's what it is.

 

 

 

Against another player, having low defense may be effective. But in the long run, maxing them out in that order is VERY inefficient.

 

 

 

If you ever decide not to PK and work on a decent skill total, slayer's probably going in there somewhere. Defense makes slayer a lot less painful.

 

 

 

If you ever decide that PKing isn't profitable enough (which is usually the case), and try hunting large monsters, the lack of defense and prayer will drastically shorten your trip.

 

 

 

Staking wise, it's been proven than high attack + defense are better than high attack + strength.

 

 

 

There's really only one small portion of the game in which having a high level limits you. And pretty much every skill is beneficial at one part of the game or another. So if anything, intelligent leveling is getting levels wherever and whenever you can, or raising them so that they make each other easier to train, as wakka once mentioned on his guide to 99s.

[Profins]

GWAHAHAHAHAHHAH!!!!

 

 

 

PC Products = smartest people out there? GWAHAHAHAHAH !!!!

 

 

 

And pures? Who breaks rs rules mainly just by starting a pure? LOL

 

 

 

No. They are not smart. And they are annoying. Why pc? Ruined the game.

[RUNESCAPEfantasy]

reson i hate pures is because most of them are ignorant self obsesed god complex asswipes ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâæ-}

[JJGM]

I don't hate pures, I hate the way most of them act.

 

'Prayer nub! SAFER! PJ NOOOOB!'. Wth is wrong with you? It's a game, calm the [bleep] down. Pc.. I really don't see why people hate players who use pc to train. It was added to the game for fun, and for faster training.

 

I find it more boring to PC then train, but its their choice..

[Danqazmlp]

I think that the only reason people have problems with pures is just, because most people have bad experiences fighting pures in the wildy when they are wearing stuff that they don't want to loose or when staking and they think that they are going to win so they stake big and loose. Thats why most people don't like pures.

 

 

 

I've never pk'd or staked and still dislike them.

 

 

 

Pc products are people with high combat who know nothing about the game, because without fighting general monsters they have not learnt how runescape works outside of PC.

 

 

 

Pures just imbalance the game and think because they are stronger in one skill they can be better, but not the case when i fight them.

[ayden7794]

No one likes pures because they are usually jerk wads and are useless if there opponent has any def. For pc products im not really sure. Its a great way to train but it is annoying if a lvl100 dosent know the basics. All the people that got high lvls before pc must have been mad as well.

[Skullex0r]

pplz who say pures and pcers sucks it's only yellus....

[Wachtwoord]

I don't much care for either side of this arguement, for I'm as able to do what they are. But I do favour a side.

 

 

 

Imagine this, you've just spent 3 years training to level 120 or another similar combat level, you're unbelievably proud of what is a great achievment. Just as you hit you're peak of what you've achieved, Pest control comes out, and within 3 months there are people equal to your level that before could have been a level 60 in rune and a d long 3 months ago. Now just imagine, wouldn't you be frustrated with people casting shadow over what you've done when they have done so little themselves? Of course, you never had the oportunity to PC.

 

 

 

Of course, all's fair in love and war, and one should be as oportunistic as possible if they want to acheive the peak of what they are doing.

 

You only forget one thing: One of the strong part of MMO's are the constant updates to the game, there is always something new. A lot of people would quit if there weren't any updates. But there are only a limited kind of updates:

 

• Totally new content (new skills, mini games, bosses, etc.)
   
  Quests
   
  Graphical and sound improvement, basically anything which has nothing to do with the game play it self (this can be argued, I know)
   
  Updating of the old content

 

You can't live with only the first three, there has to become new updates improving the way to train a skill. Could you imagine RS without it? Getting all your xp at the same speed as in early RSC. Would you like it? I would hate it I think. So does a lot of the community. There will always be new and faster ways to train a certain skill, and that's exactly one of the strong points of an MMO.

[maddudy]

lots of pures are rude and drop trade

 

pc makes it so they only need wat like 1 month to get to 126????

 

rock crabs are stupid as well

[Aneron]

Everyone who burns yew logs for fm is a noob - I got 99 burning normal logs not really, so everyone else should! :roll:

[walka92]

Everyone who burns yew logs for fm is a noob - I got 99 burning normal logs not really, so everyone else should! :roll:

 

sarcasm overload :P

[El_Tigre]

I don't hate pures, I don't like making pures, but I think the reason people hate pures, is because they act like they are so tough and act like a 6yo. On the subject of "pc products" I respect them, in my opinion this is the most boring way to train and it still takes time but those are my opinions. :|

[dargonhuman]

This thread has gotten me to thinking about pc and what can be done to force the "pc products" out into the rest of the world and get some learnin'.

 

The recent nerfs aren't enough, sure, it's slower now, but there's still nothing to compel the powertrainers to actually leave the island; if anything, they've gotta stay longer to max out their stats.

 

Some ideas I've got are to limit the amount of combat exp you can get through pc. This can either work like the Varrock training dummies (you can't use pc points to get a skill past a certain level, say 80-90) or like Tears of Guthix (you're only allowed to earn a certain number of pc points in a given time period, maybe 50-100 a day or thereabouts). The best solution would be a combination, a daily point cap and overall level cap. I think it's obvious that too many people are living on the void knight island and are missing out on vital parts of the game mechanics they'll need when they're maxed.

[Lets_3ekout]

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I don't much care for either side of this arguement, for I'm as able to do what they are. But I do favour a side.

 

 

 

Imagine this, you've just spent 3 years training to level 120 or another similar combat level, you're unbelievably proud of what is a great achievment. Just as you hit you're peak of what you've achieved, Pest control comes out, and within 3 months there are people equal to your level that before could have been a level 60 in rune and a d long 3 months ago. Now just imagine, wouldn't you be frustrated with people casting shadow over what you've done when they have done so little themselves? Of course, you never had the oportunity to PC.

 

 

 

Of course, all's fair in love and war, and one should be as oportunistic as possible if they want to acheive the peak of what they are doing.

[/hide]

 

You only forget one thing: One of the strong part of MMO's are the constant updates to the game, there is always something new. A lot of people would quit if there weren't any updates. But there are only a limited kind of updates:

 

• Totally new content (new skills, mini games, bosses, etc.)
   
  Quests
   
  Graphical and sound improvement, basically anything which has nothing to do with the game play it self (this can be argued, I know)
   
  Updating of the old content

 

You can't live with only the first three, there has to become new updates improving the way to train a skill. Could you imagine RS without it? Getting all your xp at the same speed as in early RSC. Would you like it? I would hate it I think. So does a lot of the community. There will always be new and faster ways to train a certain skill, and that's exactly one of the strong points of an MMO.

 

 

 

By no means do I argue that an update is a bad thing, Jagex do amazing ammounts of work to keep the updates coming week after week. However what I argue is the magnitude of the update, which in this case is huge. If you run over to the PMG boards you'll find a very usefull topic about combat training, which basicly covers the most popular methods of training, and even shows us what weapon is best for strength (though I forgot the name of the topic just then). If you look at the experience rates, you can clearly see that 50k-60k per hour is you're average exp rate at pretty much any popular training monster. Now scroll down a tad and you'll see the PC exp rates, from memory it was around 90k, almost double of you're average training.

 

 

 

Now, to add a new aspect to a skill that lets you have more experience per hour is a very nice thing to have, as we can see the bone bolts are a great success and people are power training all over with them. I can't say how much more exp it gives then iron arrows or bolts, but it is quite a nice twist to have when you choose how you want to get you're range levels. Perhaps they're not even faster, but they sure as hell are cheaper, even if you compare their power leveling cost rate per hour to iron arrow cost efficient training per hour (basicly, picking you're arrows up).

 

 

 

However, to double the rate for ANY skill is taking things too far. Additionally, when the skill has been released 5-6 years ago and they wait for people to train for that long and then realise this new double-the-exp type of training, that's just cruel in it's own right to the "old school" players (I don't claim to be one). However what really makes this update litterally too good is because there is nearly no down-side to it. Money? You are rewarded mountain loads for picking this method, which can easily be done for as long as you like without spending a coin by using melle and initiate. Does it drain prayer? On the contrary, it awards you a reload on prayer each time a game has been completed. Food consumption? Hardly required, you don't even lose items so dieing is a completely sound option. Boredom? If you know what you're doing and how to do it optimally it shouldn't be as boring as what all you are claiming. Sometimes something that may seem to be purely physical is done mostly with you're mind. Think, and you'll realise you can overcome boredom by joining PC groups, chatting in clan chat, inviting friends over etc.

 

 

 

Last comment on the people claiming how "boring" PC is, you forget your oppisiton's arguement. EVERYTHING in Runescape will become boring, even mini-games specified to be made purely fun with no gain (argueably CW, as combat exp found in there is very low).

 

Do you honestly think sitting in a dungeon full with dust devils while killing tens of thousands is fun? Think again bud.

 

 

 

Some ideas I've got are to limit the amount of combat exp you can get through pc. This can either work like the Varrock training dummies (you can't use pc points to get a skill past a certain level, say 80-90) or like Tears of Guthix (you're only allowed to earn a certain number of pc points in a given time period, maybe 50-100 a day or thereabouts). The best solution would be a combination, a daily point cap and overall level cap. I think it's obvious that too many people are living on the void knight island and are missing out on vital parts of the game mechanics they'll need when they're maxed.

 

 

 

A very nice idea, a daily or weekly cap on exp would at least force people to get out and get the knowledge of Runescape that can only be achieved through those hours of beating down each monster the old-fashoned way :wink:

 

For the last 4-5 months I quit Runescape (yes before I quit being a mod, incase someone thought I was just exagerating) so I could spend more time on school and more time in the gym. Now that I've came back it really is disturbing how many more high levels I see, and how much respect I've lost for so many of them because of the disturbing ammount of less knowledge so many of them have about the game.

 

 

 

A very nice debate-like thread this is becoming :P

[SwreeTak]

I never hated people who used pc for their combat.they can play runescape however they want and if they dont wnat to waste their life training at experiments or whatever and get it 3x as quick then thats fine with me.

 

 

 

However i do like monster hunting so pc,no thanks although i will try at 100 combat for the void robes,their hot

 

 

 

I agree with you. I have never hated these people. As long as people have fun while playing the game, what's wrong with it?