15 September 2008 - Summer's End

[Wizz]

Lost bandos plate, slayer helm, d boots, barrows gloves on the 2nd rd ffs....

 

So it's too late to tell you it ignores armour and hits through?

[Perakp]

how many 99 rangers with dragon arrows would be needed to kill the beast in 5 seconds?

 

 

 

;)

 

 

 

good luck finding the most efficient way of killing it.

[miracleman58]

how many 99 rangers with dragon arrows would be needed to kill the beast in 5 seconds?

 

 

 

;)

 

 

 

good luck finding the most efficient way of killing it.

 

 

 

So far ruby bolts + cannons in a 5+ team can kill it in less than 7mins

[Uaexkiller]

why do all the people in the picture(the one that shows arcane sigil) wielding spears :?

[Dharockslayer]

Ive heard that zamorak spear turns the beast into a shish kebab quite fast. Ive red on Zybez that a team of 15 or so with 9 zamorak spears took it down in 2 minutes.

 

 

 

You want a big stab bonus if you want to fight this critter with melee.

[Kevin_]

 

 

 

Proof that the CB drops sigils.

 

He's trying to sell it for 200m lol.

[ReapMe]

zam spears?

[Hermon]

Ive heard that zamorak spear turns the beast into a shish kebab quite fast. Ive red on Zybez that a team of 15 or so with 9 zamorak spears took it down in 2 minutes.

 

 

 

You want a big stab bonus if you want to fight this critter with melee.

 

 

 

I wonder if it would be a viable option to go in full guthan and get that bonus healing. I understand that guthan's ability doesn't always proc when you want it to, but it could make things easier, slightly or not.

 

 

 

Also, attack speed is a factor but if my theory is correct, i'd choose survivability over damage-per-second any day of the week :

[Chazimcgee]

Here we go, they released info on them

 

 

 

 

 

 

Taken from

 

 

 

http://www.runescape.com/kbase/viewarti ... le_id=2920

[Melos]

I wanna do this quest!

[chenw]

For those former Diablo 2 players, RS officially now have Storm Shield, and even has the same acronym!

[Hermon]

For those former Diablo 2 players, RS officially now have Storm Shield, and even has the same acronym!

 

 

 

I'll trade you SOJ (stone of jas in rs, stone of jordan in d2) for your SS :geek:

 

 

 

Also, compare the designs of the godswords and the model for the Grandfather sword in d2 (forget the type of weapon.. colossus sword? colossus blade?) and see what you find.

[chenw]

Its colossus blade.

 

 

 

And come to think of it... yes, i did notice similarities...

 

 

 

now we just need some shael runes to put into weapons :D

 

 

 

back on topic...

 

 

 

I will be interested in seeing how the shields price is gonna go in the future, i suspect some shields like Divine and Elysian might increase in price.

[TheAncient]

If the drop rates are decent, these shields won't stay 85M and 65M for very long. Hopefully they'll become cheaper alternatives to the dfs. They're not as good as the dfs, so they can't go higher than it unless jagex made it ridiculously rare "showoff" stuff like 3rd age, which would suck for people who don't spend 10 hours a day trying to make gp.

 

 

 

Divine and Elysian are like the best pieces of equipment out there

 

 

 

Divine will kill your prayer too quickly to be useful in many situations. In PvP, you'll be smited out fairly easily. In PvM, if you don't watch your prayer zealously, you will have it drop and you'll probably be KOed if you are at GWD. Still, I foresee them dropping to 15m for the Arcane, 10m for the Spectral, 50m for Elysian, and 40m for Divine. People in RS are stupid and only care about damage, and since the shields have no strength bonus, many will overlook them.

 

 

 

So an easy solution is just to keep on watching your prayer just as someone would watch their HP...

 

we dont know yet how much a hassle the prayer drain rate is, don't want to make any early conclusions

 

 

 

SGS doesnt really do that much extra damage, heals only as fast as a bunyip, and its still worth 50M+

[Myweponsg00d]

Not sure why people are thinking that the prayer thing will be not as good...If the shield prevents 8 hp damage, you will lose 4 prayer points. So, assuming your prayer isn't god awful, this shield would be incredible. The higher your prayer gets, the better this deal looks. (cause if you lose 4 prayer at 75 max points, it is a considerably greater loss {percentage} than if you lose 4 points at 99 prayer) Also, super restores can give you 30+ prayer points per dose...which corresponds to preventing 60 damage........

 

 

 

Over 200 HP contained in one inventory slot in the form of a 4 dose prayer potion. Yeah that shield sounds horrible guys. :roll:

 

 

 

The only thing that could contribute to the unpopularity of this shield is the possible difficulty in making sure you dont get surprised by giant damages and have your prayer shut off.....but stilll.......

 

 

 

If you get AGS specced for a 70, the shield will prevent 21 (!!) damage, meaning you walk away getting hit for a 49...and then you lose half of 21 which, if it is rounded up, would be 11 prayer drained. Hardly what I would call un-managable. In fact, youll come across worse effects than this if you spend a day at zammy GWD (Kril slamming through prayer AND draining it, but by more), and that is hardly what I would call the hardest GWD boss.

 

 

 

Lets take a look at KQ. She goes to hit you for a 30...you take 21, and lose 5 measly prayer points. Sounds pretty managable to me.

[Dharockslayer]

Not sure why people are thinking that the prayer thing will be not as good...If the shield prevents 8 hp damage, you will lose 4 prayer points. So, assuming your prayer isn't god awful, this shield would be incredible. The higher your prayer gets, the better this deal looks. (cause if you lose 4 prayer at 75 max points, it is a considerably greater loss {percentage} than if you lose 4 points at 99 prayer) Also, super restores can give you 30+ prayer points per dose...which corresponds to preventing 60 damage........

 

 

 

Over 200 HP contained in one inventory slot in the form of a 4 dose prayer potion. Yeah that shield sounds horrible guys. :roll:

 

 

 

 

You have to figure in that this is merely a damage REDUCTION. You wouldn't have 200 hp in one inventory spot, you will simply have saved some damage.

 

 

 

The prayer deduction also means that you wont be able to use it at area's where prayer is neccesairy, since you will more easily be outa prayer.

 

 

 

The shield is good yes, but not as good as the 70% chance of a 25 damage reduction one.

[jerek_orbian]

You have to figure in that this is merely a damage REDUCTION. You wouldn't have 200 hp in one inventory spot, you will simply have saved some damage.

 

 

 

The prayer deduction also means that you wont be able to use it at area's where prayer is neccesairy, since you will more easily be outa prayer.

 

 

 

The shield is good yes, but not as good as the 70% chance of a 25 damage reduction one.

 

 

 

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You're right -- it's better than the Elysian Shield.

 

 

 

With a unicorn, you could theoretically stay at KRee as long as your pray last because a unicorn would be able to heal you enough now that you are recieving 30% less damage.

 

 

 

So just bring all pray and only a few emergency brew and get a lot more kills at Kree.

 

 

 

And at the Beast itself, the Divine Shield would be best.

[Hevendor_Guy]

Hm, I agree with you then. Then what I really want is something new for non pkers who hate boss hunting. There's a lot more of us than people think. :-#

 

 

 

We call you skillers; you know, the guys who hate combat? :roll:

[Aneron]

Not sure why people are thinking that the prayer thing will be not as good...If the shield prevents 8 hp damage, you will lose 4 prayer points. So, assuming your prayer isn't god awful, this shield would be incredible. The higher your prayer gets, the better this deal looks. (cause if you lose 4 prayer at 75 max points, it is a considerably greater loss {percentage} than if you lose 4 points at 99 prayer) Also, super restores can give you 30+ prayer points per dose...which corresponds to preventing 60 damage........

 

 

 

Over 200 HP contained in one inventory slot in the form of a 4 dose prayer potion. Yeah that shield sounds horrible guys. :roll:

 

 

 

The only thing that could contribute to the unpopularity of this shield is the possible difficulty in making sure you dont get surprised by giant damages and have your prayer shut off.....but stilll.......

 

 

 

If you get AGS specced for a 70, the shield will prevent 21 (!!) damage, meaning you walk away getting hit for a 49...and then you lose half of 21 which, if it is rounded up, would be 11 prayer drained. Hardly what I would call un-managable. In fact, youll come across worse effects than this if you spend a day at zammy GWD (Kril slamming through prayer AND draining it, but by more), and that is hardly what I would call the hardest GWD boss.

 

 

 

Lets take a look at KQ. She goes to hit you for a 30...you take 21, and lose 5 measly prayer points. Sounds pretty managable to me.

 

 

 

Unicorn is all the hp I'd ever need in most places (including saradomin godwars, which currently remains the best money in the game), I don't know why I'd want to give up prayer for something I have a basically unlimited supply of already. I'll take the higher def of the DFS any day.

 

 

 

The shield with a 70% chance of reducing damage by 25% looks more promising though.

 

 

 

Ultimately, I'd say this will not become a revolutionary way of making money. The shields will not outlast godswords in price.

[wioneo]

Not sure why people are thinking that the prayer thing will be not as good...If the shield prevents 8 hp damage, you will lose 4 prayer points. So, assuming your prayer isn't god awful, this shield would be incredible. The higher your prayer gets, the better this deal looks. (cause if you lose 4 prayer at 75 max points, it is a considerably greater loss {percentage} than if you lose 4 points at 99 prayer) Also, super restores can give you 30+ prayer points per dose...which corresponds to preventing 60 damage........

 

 

 

Over 200 HP contained in one inventory slot in the form of a 4 dose prayer potion. Yeah that shield sounds horrible guys. :roll:

 

 

 

 

You have to figure in that this is merely a damage REDUCTION. You wouldn't have 200 hp in one inventory spot, you will simply have saved some damage.

 

 

 

The prayer deduction also means that you wont be able to use it at area's where prayer is neccesairy, since you will more easily be outa prayer.

 

 

 

The shield is good yes, but not as good as the 70% chance of a 25 damage reduction one.

 

 

 

That's exactly what I was thinking, stuff the prayer drain. Also, on using zamorak spears...is it because it is a crush weapon? or a zamorak weapon? if it's the zamorak thing, would a ZGS possibly be better? There's no way in hell that I'm buying that rubbish just for this, but interesting nonetheless.

[Aneron]

Not sure why people are thinking that the prayer thing will be not as good...If the shield prevents 8 hp damage, you will lose 4 prayer points. So, assuming your prayer isn't god awful, this shield would be incredible. The higher your prayer gets, the better this deal looks. (cause if you lose 4 prayer at 75 max points, it is a considerably greater loss {percentage} than if you lose 4 points at 99 prayer) Also, super restores can give you 30+ prayer points per dose...which corresponds to preventing 60 damage........

 

 

 

Over 200 HP contained in one inventory slot in the form of a 4 dose prayer potion. Yeah that shield sounds horrible guys. :roll:

 

 

 

 

You have to figure in that this is merely a damage REDUCTION. You wouldn't have 200 hp in one inventory spot, you will simply have saved some damage.

 

 

 

The prayer deduction also means that you wont be able to use it at area's where prayer is neccesairy, since you will more easily be outa prayer.

 

 

 

The shield is good yes, but not as good as the 70% chance of a 25 damage reduction one.

 

 

 

That's exactly what I was thinking, stuff the prayer drain. Also, on using zamorak spears...is it because it is a crush weapon? or a zamorak weapon? if it's the zamorak thing, would a ZGS possibly be better? There's no way in hell that I'm buying that rubbish just for this, but interesting nonetheless.

 

 

 

because it's stab

[Dragonlordjl]

Speaking of the D2 references, I immediately thought "Arreat's Face" when I saw the Helmet of Neitiznot.

[wioneo]

Oh I see, no stab option for big swrds. So I assume DDS's are best for specs?

[BabyPunchers]

Hm, I agree with you then. Then what I really want is something new for non pkers who hate boss hunting. There's a lot more of us than people think. :-#

 

 

 

We call you skillers; you know, the guys who hate combat? :roll:

 

 

 

I call myself a slayer. :roll:

[Myweponsg00d]

 

You have to figure in that this is merely a damage REDUCTION. You wouldn't have 200 hp in one inventory spot, you will simply have saved some damage.

 

 

 

The prayer deduction also means that you wont be able to use it at area's where prayer is neccesairy, since you will more easily be outa prayer.

 

 

 

The shield is good yes, but not as good as the 70% chance of a 25 damage reduction one.

 

 

 

I really don't understand your logic. If the shield prevents 8 damage, you lose 4 prayer points. If you get 32 prayer points from a super restore, that means that if you are wielding the Elysian shield, 256 damage will be prevented before you use up a 4 dose restore trying to make up for the prayer drain.. This is quite large compared to what you get from a 4 dose brew (in fact, it is four times what you would get from a four dose brew)

 

 

 

It is true that you'll also be taking damage at the same time, but that doesn't change the fact that you will be able to determine how much HP you personally can save with one inventory slot. What I listed above was for 99 prayer and 99 HP. HOWEVER you also have to consider that by the time you PREVENT 256 damage, you will have taken about 597 damage, which translates into over 9 whole brews used to heal the remaining unprevented damage. So it is clear that you can't just take a bunch of restores to places and just expect to heal 7,168 damage with a load of prayer healing. But, it should also be clear to you, that if you can simply change up your ratio a little bit, you can save huge.

 

 

 

Say youre going somewhere that you would typically use 18-19 brews at. While using the Elysian shield, you'd need only TWO super restore potions to restore all the prayer that will be drained over using your whole load of brew. This translates into 512 damage that you can prevent by just having the E shield plus those two little restore pots. In case you still haven't been following the math this translates into 8 brew worth of healing. And...in the very long run...2 restores is cheaper than 8 brews. :P

 

 

 

HOWEVER (again) the real excitement with this shield comes from our friend the unicorn. It is very possible that a guaranteed 30% damage reduction will open up new areas for people to have their only healing be via unicorn. Not only that, but you may be able to use uni-only at GWD areas with fewer numbers now. Also we must consider possibilities of using some of the current setups, but simply carrying the E shield along for the ride. It could save some headaches at DKs when you get completely wrecked due to bad luck and see that your ppots are in way excess over your health restoring abilities. Swap out the shield and then the ratio will start to balance out. Not saying its the most brilliant idea ever, but its certainly an interesting possibility.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*EDIT* Just did some more math for the other shield. If you get a perfect statistical damage prevention (i.e. if the ability honestly activates 7 times for every 10 times you take damage), then 17.5% of all damage will be prevented (in a technical sense). This translates into using 14.85-15.675 brews worth of healing where you would've previously had to use 18-19 brews to heal. Meaning you'll save 3.15-3.325 brews. Comparing this to the E shield, where you will get 8 brews worth of healing from taking 18-19 brews worth of damage, but have to use 2 super restores in addition...it seems very unclear as to what the BETTER shield is. While the two abilities may seem relatively similar, they differ vastly.

 

 

 

Im not here to say the E shield is far superior...I'm just here to say that its ridiculous for anyone to be playing it off as a 100% inferior shield.