Behind the Scenes - February

[Dire_Wolf]

And the time i played Runescape i did not limit myself. I gained 85+ in all skills

 

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As of now the Completionist cape is just a cape catering to grinders.

 

So you got to 85+ all skills without ever grinding? Do tell your secrets please :rolleyes:

 

Please don't be like many others and tell me the line "Well that's the reward for finishing the game", there is MANY ways to reward people who have completed the game than give them the best stats cape, and thus indirectly force Combat players to grind for it.

 

No one asked you or is forcing you to grind for it. If you want the best cape, stat-wise, in the game, then decide for yourself if you want to grind for it.

Or hey, maybe do the same secret non-grind that got you to level 85+!

As time came so did quest requirements, and so i leveled my skills to meet them for the combat rewards.

And there is huge difference level of grinding between getting few skills leveled to certain requirement like 80-85, and having to level many skills to 99.

 

Since you seem confused let me word myself differently:

Comp cape is for extreme grinders.

[Urza285]

That cape is like a huge toolbox and justly rewards complitionists who think of themselves as fighters, skillers and everything in between. Should they have given them an exclusive item to wield elsewhere on their avatar another person just like you would be ragging on about that too. The whole basis of your argument is through the thought that there is an official class system to players who either skill or do combat. No classes exist to jagex... They desire thee players to go everywhere in the game. Those who prefer combat exclusively over everything else will just receive something that proves their combat skills.

[ghjkl]

people don't do dominion tower because the cutscenes are [bleep]ing annoying

how do they not realize that?

[Sy_Accursed]

people don't do dominion tower because the cutscenes are [bleep]ing annoying

how do they not realize that?

 

People do do it though because the gloves and dreadnips are epic useful for certain things, the dreadnips especially.

[Kimberly]

people don't do dominion tower because the cutscenes are [bleep]ing annoying

how do they not realize that?

 

People do do it though because the gloves and dreadnips are epic useful for certain things, the dreadnips especially.

 

You don't hear a lot of people doing it recreationally, and those that do perform at the Tower do so only to unlock cape achievements or get Goliath gloves. :/ When you think of minigames done right, you tend to think of temple trekking. When you think of minigames that you don't go to unless you have to, you think of things like MA and Dom Tower.

[Sy_Accursed]

people don't do dominion tower because the cutscenes are [bleep]ing annoying

how do they not realize that?

 

People do do it though because the gloves and dreadnips are epic useful for certain things, the dreadnips especially.

 

You don't hear a lot of people doing it recreationally, and those that do perform at the Tower do so only to unlock cape achievements or get Goliath gloves. :/

 

The same can be said of most every mini-game though.

Most at pc/conquest are only there for xp or for the armour.

Most at soulwars are only there for xp.

Most at temple trekking are only there for lumberjack or constructors.

Most at GOP are only after master rc robes or altar teletabs.

Most at Livid farm are only after the spells.

Most at MA are only there for the rings.

etc.

 

But it don't matter why they do it, they still do it.

[Quyneax]

I've always said that the worst bit (read most boring and dreary) about fight caves is the ridiculously easy but incredibly time consuming waves vefore the jad fight. I'm very dissapointed that this new minigame replicates this. Also a bit worried that you will ONLY be able to defeat this boss with the top end gear of which 99.999% of the RuneScape population just cannot afford. I don't even have 1 firecape though so it's not like i'll ever see this minigame anyway.

 

Free full torva pl0x...

"Are you a poor player who cant afford anything? Do you struggle to make ends meet while those with wealth trample on you? Then this mini-game is JUST for them, to make you feel even worse!"

 

That's basically what it feels like to me from Jagex's stand point :|

 

Still, a nice month none the less.

I think we've been due for some extremely high-leveled content (a la Nex) for a while now.

 

Extremely high-level content isn't the same as content for the super mega rich 1% of the player base.

Imo, money is one factor in high level content. You grind for xp or you grind for cash, same thing really (especially with effigies now they go hand in hand). Compared to spending 100 hours at ZMI to train 91-99 rc or something, I find 200m for a Virtus set nothing especially hard to achieve. 2m gp/hr is a relaxed pace at frost drags, all you need is a yak. Not to mention that 200m gp profit at frosts probably takes care of 20+ of those hours to 99 rc anyway.

[Mercifull]

Imo, money is one factor in high level content. You grind for xp or you grind for cash, same thing really (especially with effigies now they go hand in hand). Compared to spending 100 hours at ZMI to train 91-99 rc or something, I find 200m for a Virtus set nothing especially hard to achieve. 2m gp/hr is a relaxed pace at frost drags, all you need is a yak. Not to mention that 200m gp profit at frosts probably takes care of 20+ of those hours to 99 rc anyway.

So if 2M an hour is an acceptable rate of "income" then I can expect to be able to buy Torva in approx 325 hours of grind time. Oh joyous joy, thats probably the best half of a year for me!

 

Why can't more stuff be like Extreme potions and be untradeable items that you make yourself? With extreme pots someone can choose to put the investment into levelling the skill by investing heavily with cash in order to level faster or choose the slower method and invest in it with time by doing things the cheaper but slower way. Both play styles give the same reward: Extreme pots. RuneScape is littered with skills that go all the way to 99 and give nothing for it. Why shouldn't a high level smith be able to make relatively high level but untradeable armour for themselves? Why cant the high level crafter tan and craft a new type of dragonhide? Whats to say that this untradeable armour has to be part smithed, part crafting then imbued by a high level mage or runecrafter in order to complete? Obviously none of this sould be able to be boosted or assisted.

 

There is far too much emphesis put on very rare and expensive monster drops rather than on the skills of a player.

 

Of course all this is moot at the moment because the frame rate is so horifically slow I can barely walk around let alone attempt the fight caves or kiln.

[brunokiller]

Rip max cape

 

 

[Saradomin_Mage]

Which means you need to beat the new super-boss to earn a completionist's cape?

I like the way this is shaping up.

 

Also why no +8.5

[Kimberly]

It makes more sense and I never really understood why the strength stats were that similar between the two capes.

[Crossed_Body]

So if 2M an hour is an acceptable rate of "income" then I can expect to be able to buy Torva in approx 325 hours of grind time. Oh joyous joy, thats probably the best half of a year for me!

 

Why can't more stuff be like Extreme potions and be untradeable items that you make yourself? With extreme pots someone can choose to put the investment into levelling the skill by investing heavily with cash in order to level faster or choose the slower method and invest in it with time by doing things the cheaper but slower way. Both play styles give the same reward: Extreme pots. RuneScape is littered with skills that go all the way to 99 and give nothing for it. Why shouldn't a high level smith be able to make relatively high level but untradeable armour for themselves? Why cant the high level crafter tan and craft a new type of dragonhide? Whats to say that this untradeable armour has to be part smithed, part crafting then imbued by a high level mage or runecrafter in order to complete? Obviously none of this sould be able to be boosted or assisted.

 

There is far too much emphesis put on very rare and expensive monster drops rather than on the skills of a player.

 

Of course all this is moot at the moment because the frame rate is so horifically slow I can barely walk around let alone attempt the fight caves or kiln.

 

I think Jagex is trying to fix that by introducing ganodermic and player owned ports.

[Quyneax]

2m/hr is a really low rate of income if you were already maxed combat and had a fair amount of gear. You can combine 99 rc/agil/mine/fish + a bit of other effigy skills + moneymaking and max out with 1b+ profit. And that's all still faster than regular skilling.

[miracleman58]

2m/hr is a really low rate of income if you were already maxed combat and had a fair amount of gear. You can combine 99 rc/agil/mine/fish + a bit of other effigy skills + moneymaking and max out with 1b+ profit. And that's all still faster than regular skilling.

 

Not everyone can get online for 6hours at a time and find a perm nex team or go corp and get 6 divines in a week.

[TheAncient]

Glacors are an easy 3m/hr+ and charms and effigies

[Blutters]

The people who sit out the first week waiting for others to figure it out for them will be sorry. There's ALWAYS some exploit that can be used to one's advantage with these kind of updates. So really, the people who might be least qualified have the best chance of finding and taking advantage of one of these as soon as possible. To be honest, I think these little kinks are intentional, to reward people who go there first. They happen over and over again, the best case for this being that Nex didn't start with a "stomp" attack/effect despite that being one of the first ways people exploited the Corporeal Beast. And how many times did beautiful muss Zilyania need to be fixed? Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but promises of easy bosshunting cash can get people to train even terrible skills like Agility.

 

As in the Dominion Tower, the pretty new graphics can only mask the fact that all space in RuneScape is measured in squares. And, as once again in the Tower, large monsters get stuck on squares. And, as there were only two monsters in the entire original Fight Caves that wouldn't get stuck, and these new monsters are supposed to be bigger ( ;) ) and badder than they were, I'll be checking the edges of the Kiln first thing in just to confirm I was right. I suggest whoever isn't sure of their combat abilities (or gear) to do similar, rather than refreshing the Tzhaar Kiln update thread on TIF at 100 clicks per minute.

[Ermy]

Glacors are an easy 3m/hr+ and charms and effigies

 

That cannot possibly be an average because I've got 1 pair of glaiven's in just over 1000 kills.

[Crossed_Body]

 

That cannot possibly be an average because I've got 1 pair of glaiven's in just over 1000 kills.

The shards are both expensive and common.

[TheAncient]

Glacors are an easy 3m/hr+ and charms and effigies

 

That cannot possibly be an average because I've got 1 pair of glaiven's in just over 1000 kills.

 

It's around a 1/400 droprate. You have bad luck. Or who knows, maybe Jagex nerfed it since it got released since initial reported droprates were 1/250.

[Platinum_Myr]

The problem with inflation is that the same people get all of the money, rather than everyone getting more. I would rather have more "income" methods that promote consistent gains vs boss fights with random drops where you *might* get lucky.

 

Glacors might AVERAGE 3m/hr, but that doesn't mean you get 3m for spending 1hr there. (Or 1m for spending 20 minutes)... You have to spend enough hours to get a good drop.

 

Not all of us are max combat with the best gear, and all that. And the people that ARE max combat don't always have the money to throw around on high lvl gear. Not everyone can get 1-2m/hr... The gear drop rates are so ridiculously small that the best shields and armors are not game changing for the majority of players because we don't get them.

 

 

I am not against providing top gear for rich players. Aside from dice hosts, they've generally earned it. I am sick of how Jagex claims it will be game changing for everyone else though.

[TheAncient]

I mean... AFAIK DKS are a pretty consistent 2-3M/hr nowadays. Frosts, Bandos, Arma, etc. are all relatively consistent and around the same. With 200-300M seed money you can reasonably flip 2-3M/hr.

 

Honestly, a set of virtus is like 210M nowadays. Top is 100M. Legs are 70M. That's very easy to get. If you really care about LP boost you can flick virtus top/bottom on whenever you brew. Even if you don't want to do that, pure mage is never a bad option nowadays with PPS & SOA.

 

And ely has never really been drastically better than EEKS/Spectral/CKS.

 

Shards and random rune items alone account for like 1.5M/hr at glacors. If you value magic XP, you can almost calculate that as pure profit (since cost of runes can be negated)

[strilmus]

So pleased that the new tutorial forced me to get my second-ever fire cape :thumbup: Bet it must feel like a sacrificial lamb :P

If it complains too much about it you can just feed em to Tz Rek Jad.

[Ambler]

Wondering how long these caves willtake to complete. I'm thinking 2 hours Max, probably less.

[Quyneax]

Glacors might AVERAGE 3m/hr, but that doesn't mean you get 3m for spending 1hr there. (Or 1m for spending 20 minutes)... You have to spend enough hours to get a good drop.

 

Not all of us are max combat with the best gear, and all that. And the people that ARE max combat don't always have the money to throw around on high lvl gear. Not everyone can get 1-2m/hr... The gear drop rates are so ridiculously small that the best shields and armors are not game changing for the majority of players because we don't get them.

 

I am not against providing top gear for rich players. Aside from dice hosts, they've generally earned it. I am sick of how Jagex claims it will be game changing for everyone else though.

You always get small drops as well, for glacors/tds these are shards, rune skirts/maces/swords/chains/baxes+dragon maces/daggers+shards of Armadyl+diamonds+infernal ashes+assorted herbs (dks has bones, Bandos gwd has bones). Plus a great effigy rate. Sure, you have to spend hours, but that's hardly an issue if you're making money on the scale of 100m and up, since you'd be spending loads of hours anyway.

 

People who are maxed combat can all make at least 2-3m/hr even if they have no bossing experience, simply at frosts. With a bit of practice you can get ~55 kph at tds with only about 10m in gear plus arcane stream and a chaotic, which translates to ~3m/hr and .7 effigies per hour. The rate for claws is about one in every 4-5 hours with that method, not very rare at all. Only sigils are really extremely rare. Dks even average multiple drops per hour.

 

It's true most people won't get the top tier gear, but that goes for overloads etc. too. If you look at how many people have Bandos + claws or Armadyl + glaivens or even just steadfasts, well that's the number of people who can easily shoot for Virtus with a few weeks of MTK, farming and casual frost dragon hunting.

[Urza285]

Rip max cape

 

 

Lol I called it too... Honestly I don't see this as a hit to the max cape.