"Trimming all black armour 10k each!"

 

God, I love the old days!~ :cool:

 

You liked it when people were scamming other players? :unsure:

 

Back then, there were cheaters, scammers, lurers, and macros galore. Yet, everyone says it was really great. Really? Or is it just some form of nostalgia? Honestly, I've moved on from the days of the wilderness and free trade and have come to enjoy Runescape as it is today just as much. And after all these updates throughout these 3 years to please the pking community and try to make the game reflect how it used to be as much as possible, it seems counterproductive to go back.

 

Nobody says that the cheaters, scammers, lurers or macros were great. Well, nobody but the very few people who actually cheated or mysteriously based their enjoyment of the game on the low prices of raw materials. A lot of people did say that the idea of a truly brutal, terrifying and lawless land, where you can either be killed for nearly everything you're holding or come back with riches of your own as a result of your own skill was great. The idea of being freely able to hold competitions with proper prizes was great. Freely exchanging money for services, as opposed to goods, was great. We just accepted that the rising tide of illegal RWTing wasn't going to be beaten when we had those things. Now, it's definitely productive to go back to that, given that the game can still exist afterwards. Jagex says it will, so we support them.

"Trimming all black armour 10k each!"

 

God, I love the old days!~ :cool:

 

You liked it when people were scamming other players? :unsure:

 

Back then, there were cheaters, scammers, lurers, and macros galore. Yet, everyone says it was really great. Really? Or is it just some form of nostalgia? Honestly, I've moved on from the days of the wilderness and free trade and have come to enjoy Runescape as it is today just as much. And after all these updates throughout these 3 years to please the pking community and try to make the game reflect how it used to be as much as possible, it seems counterproductive to go back.

Scammers were hilarious :P

 

But runescape was fine back then, it is fine now, and it will be fine if they bring it all back. As a game company, the job of jagex is to look for things they can fix or add. And of course when you look for things that need fixing you will come across things that are perfectly fine and yet will get fixed anyway.

im not sure i want to play outside demonheim anymore if this comes to life....

and they really need to hold the vote on jagax ground, password and all, allowing only 1year+ players to vote.

Why 1 year+? Free trade was around 3 years ago.

im not sure i want to play outside demonheim anymore if this comes to life....

and they really need to hold the vote on jagax ground, password and all, allowing only 1year+ players to vote.

1 year plus would be useless. If there was a real vote it'd only make sense if people who REALLY used those features and know what they were about could vote- set the limit at account created before 1. january 2007. Right now, most of the people voting no just didn't know what those features were about, thus there are reasons the current voting system makes sense. It is not a strict vote to determine the next prime minister, rather a popularity vote to see how many people find the page and put their name in the hat to support the idea, and if there is alot of buzz around the idea(as we can all see there is) the vote is a success.

im not sure i want to play outside demonheim anymore if this comes to life....

and they really need to hold the vote on jagax ground, password and all, allowing only 1year+ players to vote.

1 year plus would be useless. If there was a real vote it'd only make sense if people who REALLY used those features and know what they were about could vote- set the limit at account created before 1. january 2007. Right now, most of the people voting no just didn't know what those features were about, thus there are reasons the current voting system makes sense. It is not a strict vote to determine the next prime minister, rather a popularity vote to see how many people find the page and put their name in the hat to support the idea, and if there is alot of buzz around the idea(as we can all see there is) the vote is a success.

 

Riiiiight..... So people who have been playing from more or less the beginning and created a new character after 2007 have no right to have their say?

 

Riiiiight..... So people who have been playing from more or less the beginning and created a new character after 2007 have no right to have their say?

They can still vote on the account created before 2007 so i can't see a problem there...

im not sure i want to play outside demonheim anymore if this comes to life....

and they really need to hold the vote on jagax ground, password and all, allowing only 1year+ players to vote.

1 year plus would be useless. If there was a real vote it'd only make sense if people who REALLY used those features and know what they were about could vote- set the limit at account created before 1. january 2007. Right now, most of the people voting no just didn't know what those features were about, thus there are reasons the current voting system makes sense. It is not a strict vote to determine the next prime minister, rather a popularity vote to see how many people find the page and put their name in the hat to support the idea, and if there is alot of buzz around the idea(as we can all see there is) the vote is a success.

 

 

And all those voting yes REALLY used those features? Please. That is no argument as there are probably just as many voting no who never used them as there are voting yes.

And all those voting yes REALLY used those features? Please. That is no argument as there are probably just as many voting no who never used them as there are voting yes.

There is no realistic way of determining if the played did use those features weather they vote yes or no, but there is a way of saying this person may have been using those features and that another person couldn't have been.

 

In any case, looking at the tip it vote(primarily a skiling community), we have a pretty good outlook of how the big picture would pan out, thus it'd be stupid to argue that if there were equal yes and no options, the no option would lead.

 

I honestly can't understand why people don't want the wilderness / free trade back.

 

That's what i'm thinking. People are basically being inconsistent in their opinions in that they trusted jagex when they canned free trade(and most of the high level content at the time), but doubt jagex now when they may change it back. It'd rather make sense if those people agreed that the removal of free trade wasn't the answer in combating rwt-ing, thus it should be brought back and other means should be introduced to prevent botting/rwt.

 

Another thing people should be looking at is themselves. Money doesn't buy itself, as we all know. If we want the game to be better, we have to be better ourselves(and not blame everything on jagex).

The good outweighed the bad back then.. I only ran into bots when woodcutting that actually hindered the way I played.. People think it's going to be mass pandemonium and I don't believe it would change the state of the game as much as the naysayers are saying.

 

Now, if I was a junk trader or a price manipulator I would be pretty worried. But for a bored level 138 I really welcome some change to spice things back up a bit.

The good outweighed the bad back then.. I only ran into bots when woodcutting that actually hindered the way I played.. People think it's going to be mass pandemonium and I don't believe it would change the state of the game as much as the naysayers are saying.

 

Now, if I was a junk trader or a price manipulator I would be pretty worried. But for a bored level 138 I really welcome some change to spice things back up a bit.

 

doomthinkers

 

either they are merchers themselves or they are people who don't do very well in logics/logic thinking.

 

Does any1 know if with free trade the ge disappears?

Cuz sometimes I just have the need to buy things fast and going to w2 fally isn't always as fast as ge, it is entertaining though!

im not sure i want to play outside demonheim anymore if this comes to life....

and they really need to hold the vote on jagax ground, password and all, allowing only 1year+ players to vote.

1 year plus would be useless. If there was a real vote it'd only make sense if people who REALLY used those features and know what they were about could vote- set the limit at account created before 1. january 2007. Right now, most of the people voting no just didn't know what those features were about, thus there are reasons the current voting system makes sense. It is not a strict vote to determine the next prime minister, rather a popularity vote to see how many people find the page and put their name in the hat to support the idea, and if there is alot of buzz around the idea(as we can all see there is) the vote is a success.

 

I'd love to vote no...and I've been playing since middle school (7 years ago)

 

You can't prove for either side if the people voting have been playing long enough to know what it was like, so why make that claim?

I honestly can't understand why people don't want the wilderness / free trade back.

 

 

 

Because I don't want annoying pk'ers, rwt'ers, account sellers and beggars.

Sorry if this has already been asked somewhere in this thread, but would this mean staking would return? If so...OMG!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: I loooooooooved staking, it used to be my favorite thing to do, even if I was just a poor noob who never won any fights.

I honestly can't understand why people don't want the wilderness / free trade back.

 

 

 

Because I don't want annoying pk'ers, rwt'ers, account sellers and beggars.

 

Don't go in the wild or 3 item when you need to, dosen't affect you, dosen't affect you, and ignore list. Or just ignore the yellow text for pity sake.

I honestly can't understand why people don't want the wilderness / free trade back.

 

 

 

Because I don't want annoying pk'ers, rwt'ers, account sellers and beggars.

 

 

Why do you play an MMO than? Games like runescape are based of be who you want to be, so they have the right to do whatever they want, just as you do. You don't like it? Deal with it. I personally don't like people like you who whine about pkers, but hey i'm not exclaiming that, am I?

Sorry if this has already been asked somewhere in this thread, but would this mean staking would return? If so...OMG!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: I loooooooooved staking, it used to be my favorite thing to do, even if I was just a poor noob who never won any fights.

 

Yes, it has been confirmed that staking will be back if the poll goes through.

Don't go in the wild or 3 item when you need to, dosen't affect you, dosen't affect you, and ignore list. Or just ignore the yellow text for pity sake.

If it isn't good for you, you are against it. That's basically what he is saying.

I honestly can't understand why people don't want the wilderness / free trade back.

 

 

 

Because I don't want annoying pk'ers, rwt'ers, account sellers and beggars.

 

 

Why do you play an MMO than? Games like runescape are based of be who you want to be, so they have the right to do whatever they want, just as you do. You don't like it? Deal with it. I personally don't like people like you who whine about pkers, but hey i'm not exclaiming that, am I?

 

You just did.

I honestly can't understand why people don't want the wilderness / free trade back.

 

 

 

Because I don't want annoying pk'ers, rwt'ers, account sellers and beggars.

I believe those things still exist + annoying Price Manipulating clans that spam GE in every world, Junk Trading, Unbuyable stuff, crazy prices, restricted prices etc etc.

 

RWT'ers, Account sellers, Beggars - they all exist. Never left RS.

Pk'ers - haven't been seen much because they have their own worlds.

 

 

Maybe make the Wilderness be like the Old Wilderness only in a few specific worlds?

I honestly can't understand why people don't want the wilderness / free trade back.

 

 

 

Because I don't want annoying pk'ers, rwt'ers, account sellers and beggars.

 

 

Why do you play an MMO than? Games like runescape are based of be who you want to be, so they have the right to do whatever they want, just as you do. You don't like it? Deal with it. I personally don't like people like you who whine about pkers, but hey i'm not exclaiming that, am I?

 

You just did.

 

I did to make a point, i'm not exclaiming it though am I? Exclaiming if you didn't know...means to just outright say something.

I am so glad that I just started playing again.

The only reason I want free trade back is the possibility of getting rid of the GE. It's a nice convenience but I hate price manipulating clans that boost the price of an item to extraordinarily high prices. Before the GE real merchanting didn't involve price manipulating. You just bought something cheap and sold it high. Same principle that some merchants use today but price manipulating clans cannot use their method without the GE. Honestly runescape was better back with free trade and the old wilderness. No graves was fun too. It added a sense of real risk to the game. With graves today you don't need to worry about anything. I'll keep saying this, if someone is addicted enough to buy gold with real money let them waste their money away. I don't care it's only hurting them in the long run. Sooner or later they'll find out the real world requires money too and if you blow a bunch of it on buying items in a game you'll realize how stupid you really are. The only thing that bothered me in the old Runescape was bots and while bringing back free trade may increase the number of people trying to bot I'm pretty confident in how much jagex has evolved in bot prevention techniques.

 

But I think jagex will find an excuse not to give us free trade or the old wilderness back. I really don't think they want to. I just have a feeling no real facts.

I honestly can't understand why people want the wilderness / free trade back.

 

Fix'd. Honestly this vote is perhaps the worst thing to happen. It has split the community directly in 2. Those PKers and old school people with rose tinted specs who think they want it back, and those that are crying out for fairness and a No vote.

 

Tbh I love it how when I made a topic on RSOF the other day about the vote being pathetic that all the PKers tried to justify it by saying they never get updates and are basically JaGeX's [female dogs]. Maybe they are and the PVM community do get the better deal out of it all. But this is a completely game changing decision that only works backwards from where they are now.

 

Personally I never played old wildy, I didn't even have the internet until 2 years ago as parents didn't want it, or need it. But from everything I hear from my friends who played with old wildy and free trade and from here I can only see it being bad and quite frankly as someone said in one of the very early pages - being the death knell for runescape showing that JaGeX have lost the war against bots and RWTers.

 

I also find it funny that so far even though there's been perhaps every 7 out of 10 topics on the RSOF against it, no one and I repeat NO ONE has gone so far to say - We pay we say, unlike the PKers who continually tell us to shut up.

 

Free trade yes, I'd be fine with, it'd be nice. Old Wildy? Get stuffed.

 

I lose all shreds of respect for JaGeX if this vote goes through.

I honestly can't understand why people want the wilderness / free trade back.

 

Fix'd. Honestly this vote is perhaps the worst thing to happen. It has split the community directly in 2. Those PKers and old school people with rose tinted specs who think they want it back, and those that are crying out for fairness and a No vote.

 

Tbh I love it how when I made a topic on RSOF the other day about the vote being pathetic that all the PKers tried to justify it by saying they never get updates and are basically JaGeX's [female dogs]. Maybe they are and the PVM community do get the better deal out of it all. But this is a completely game changing decision that only works backwards from where they are now.

 

Personally I never played old wildy, I didn't even have the internet until 2 years ago as parents didn't want it, or need it. But from everything I hear from my friends who played with old wildy and free trade and from here I can only see it being bad and quite frankly as someone said in one of the very early pages - being the death knell for runescape showing that JaGeX have lost the war against bots and RWTers.

 

I also find it funny that so far even though there's been perhaps every 7 out of 10 topics on the RSOF against it, no one and I repeat NO ONE has gone so far to say - We pay we say, unlike the PKers who continually tell us to shut up.

 

Free trade yes, I'd be fine with, it'd be nice. Old Wildy? Get stuffed.

 

I lose all shreds of respect for JaGeX if this vote goes through.

Don't base your opinions on other people's opinions of things you've never done.